My experience is similar to Nicholas'. Basic usage was easy to get a handle on, but the advanced tuning/tweaking info is scattered EVERYWHERE around the web, mostly on personal blogs. It feels like it took way too long to become confident enough in my understanding of Cassandra that I trust our deployment configuration in production.
Without this mailing list I would still be on the fence. On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Peter Lin <wool...@gmail.com> wrote: > @benedict - you're right that I've haven't requested permission to edit. > You're also right that I've given up on getting edit permission to > cassandra wiki. I've been struggling and struggled with "how" to manage > open source projects, so I totally get it. Managing projects is a thankless > job most of the time. Pleasing everyone is totally impossible. Apache isn't > alone in this. I've submitted stuff to google's open source projects in the > past and had it go into a black hole. We all struggle with managing open > source projects. > > I am committed to contributing Cassandra community, but just not through > the wiki. There's lots of different ways to contribute. The jira tickets > I've submitted have gotten good responses generally. It does take several > days depending on how busy the committers are, but that's normal for all > projects. > > > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Benedict Elliott Smith < > belliottsm...@datastax.com> wrote: > >> Requesting a change is very different to requesting permission to edit >> (which, I note, still hasn't been made); we do our best to promote >> community engagement, so granting a privilege request has a different >> mental category to a random edit request, which is much more likely to be >> forgotten by any particular committer in the process of attending to their >> more pressing work. >> >> The relationship between committers and the community is debated at >> length in all projects, often by vocal individuals such as yourselves who >> are unhappy in some way with how the project is being run. However it is >> very hard to please everyone - most of the time we can't even please all >> the committers, and that is a much smaller and more homogenous group. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Peter Lin <wool...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> I sent a request to add a link my .Net driver for cassandra to the wiki >>> over 5 weeks back and no response at all. >>> >>> I sent another request way back in 2013 and got zero response. Again, I >>> totally understand people are busy and I'm just as guilty as everyone else >>> of letting requests slip by. It's the reality of contributing to open >>> source as a hobby. If I wasn't serious about contributing to cassandra >>> community, I wouldn't have spent 2.5 months porting Hector to C# manually. >>> >>> Perhaps the real cause is that some committers can't "empathise" with >>> others in the community? >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Benedict Elliott Smith < >>> belliottsm...@datastax.com> wrote: >>> >>>> All requests I've seen in the past year to edit the wiki (admittedly >>>> only 2-3) have been answered promptly with editing privileges. Personally I >>>> don't have a major preference either way for policy - there are positives >>>> and negatives to each approach - but, like I said, raise it on the dev list >>>> and see if anybody else does. >>>> >>>> However I must admit I cannot empathise with your characterisation of >>>> requesting permission as 'begging', or a 'slap in the face', or that it is >>>> even particularly onerous. It is a slight psychological barrier, but in my >>>> personal experience when a psychological barrier as low as this prevents me >>>> from taking action, it's usually because I don't have as much desire to >>>> contribute as I thought I did. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Peter Lin <wool...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've submitted requests to edit the wiki in the past and nothing ever >>>>> got done. >>>>> >>>>> Having been an apache committer and contributor over the years, I can >>>>> totally understand that people are busy. I also understand that "most" >>>>> developer find writing docs tedious. >>>>> >>>>> I'd rather not harass the committers about wiki edits, since I didn't >>>>> like it when it happened to me in the past. That's why many apache >>>>> projects >>>>> keep their wiki's open. Honestly, as much as I find writing docs >>>>> challenging and tedious, it's critical and important. For my other open >>>>> source projects, I force myself to write docs. >>>>> >>>>> my point is, the wiki should be open and the barrier should be >>>>> removed. Having to "beg/ask" to edit the wiki feels like a slap in the >>>>> face >>>>> to me, but maybe I'm alone in this. Then again, I've heard the same >>>>> sentiment from other people about cassandra's wiki. The thing is, they >>>>> just >>>>> chalk it up to "cassandra committers don't give a crap about docs". I do >>>>> my >>>>> best to defend the committers and point out some are volunteers, but it >>>>> does give the public a negative impression. I know the committers care >>>>> about docs, but they don't always have time to do it. >>>>> >>>>> I know that given a choice between coding or writing docs, 90% of the >>>>> time I'll choose coding. What I've decided instead is to document stuff on >>>>> one of my blogs. If someone gets lucky, maybe google will return the >>>>> result. I keep asking myself "what's the point of closing a wiki?" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Benedict Elliott Smith < >>>>> belliottsm...@datastax.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It only takes a moment to ask to be added as a wiki contributor; if >>>>>> you email the dev list or ask on irc, somebody with privileges will >>>>>> ordinarily add you within a day. It may be a psychological barrier, but >>>>>> it >>>>>> isn't really a practical one. Still, if you feel the policy is incorrect, >>>>>> raise this on the dev list also. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Peter Lin <wool...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've tried to contribute docs to Cassandra wiki in the past, but >>>>>>> there's an obstacle. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> currently wiki.apache.org/cassandra is locked down, so only >>>>>>> commiters can edit it. I really wish that wasn't the case, since it >>>>>>> wastes >>>>>>> time. the commiters are busy writing code. Having to email a commiter >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> ask them to update it feels silly to me and kind of goes against >>>>>>> openness. >>>>>>> Back when I was active with JMeter, we decided to leave it open so that >>>>>>> anyone can edit the docs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can't be the only one that wants to help make the docs better, but >>>>>>> get frustrated with the wiki being closed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 4:25 AM, <spa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would like to help out with the documentation of C*. How do I >>>>>>>> start? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Robert Stupp <sn...@snazy.de> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just a note: >>>>>>>>> If you have suggestions how to improve documentation on the >>>>>>>>> datastax website, write them an email to d...@datastax.com. They >>>>>>>>> appreciate proposals :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Am 23.07.2014 um 09:10 schrieb Mark Reddy <mark.re...@boxever.com >>>>>>>>> >: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Kevin, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The difference here is that the Apache Cassandra site is >>>>>>>>> maintained by the community whereas the DataStax site is maintained >>>>>>>>> by paid >>>>>>>>> employees with a vested interest in producing documentation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With DataStax having some comprehensive docs, I guess the desire >>>>>>>>> for people to maintain the Apache site has dwindled. However, if you >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> interested in contributing to it and bringing it back up to standard >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> can, thus is the freedom of open source. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:54 AM, Kevin Burton <bur...@spinn3r.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This document: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/cassandra/Operations >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> … for example. Is extremely out dated… does NOT reflect 2.x >>>>>>>>>> releases certainly. Mentions commands that are long since >>>>>>>>>> removed/deprecated. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Instead of giving bad documentation, maybe remove this and mark >>>>>>>>>> it as obsolete. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The datastax documentation… is … acceptable I guess. My main >>>>>>>>>> criticism there is that a lot of it it is in their blog. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Founder/CEO Spinn3r.com <http://spinn3r.com/> >>>>>>>>>> Location: *San Francisco, CA* >>>>>>>>>> blog: http://burtonator.wordpress.com >>>>>>>>>> … or check out my Google+ profile >>>>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/102718274791889610666/posts> >>>>>>>>>> <http://spinn3r.com/> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> http://spawgi.wordpress.com >>>>>>>> We can do it and do it better. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
