Sage advice all! -----Original Message----- From: BJ Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:47 PM To: user@ofbiz.apache.org Subject: Re: shipments made for out of stock items
Learned a valuable lesson from my Granddad and dad we have a mfgr company that was special niche for years we had competitors that tried to get market share but we were the leader in the field. so when I went to work for them, I was very concerned about the patents. they said. patents only keep them from stopping us from making it. but our innovation is what keeps up in front. so from my perspective, holding on to rights only protects me from someone saying I don't have the right to do it. with apache I don't worry about that. and my innovation keeps me ahead. what I share here is something I did months ago, but just getting around to adding it to ofbiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent the following on 10/24/2007 7:19 PM: > BJ > > You're way to easy on your customers. Giving us hard-axxxs a bad name. I > always keep the rights to the code I write unless it's a salaried long term > job. > > Skip > > -----Original Message----- > From: BJ Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:44 PM > To: user@ofbiz.apache.org > Subject: Re: shipments made for out of stock items > > > the online service is fee based. sorry. > however what I am proposing here would be a big boone to us all > and that, after I get the supplier emails running, is my next task, if I > am allowed > > > Skip sent the following on 10/24/2007 5:36 PM: >> Wanna share the code? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BJ Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:06 PM >> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org >> Subject: Re: shipments made for out of stock items >> >> >> skip I have implemented similar in the service I provide on line for >> webstores. >> been doing it since 1998. >> see my other email. >> >> Skip sent the following on 10/24/2007 5:04 PM: >>> BJ >>> >>> This logic gets very complicated very quickly. You can throw into the > mix >>> two dropship suppliers with different prices and shipping times. Maybe >> the >>> customer wants one and it comes in a box of 10. Its even more > complicated >>> if you require a 35% margin and getting that margin requires you to order >> a >>> hundred. It gets even more complicated still if.... >>> >>> The application I am converting to Ofbiz took me two years to get right > in >>> this area ( at least right from the clients perspective). Two years of >>> tweeking that it is. I ended up with three scenerios, case 1 where I > knew >>> for sure what to do. Case 2 where I was pretty sure what to do, and case >>> three where I didn't have a clue. >>> >>> I ended up doing case 1 without operator intervention, and presenting 2 >>> separate lists of the last 2 cases to a human operator to approve. This >> has >>> worked in 21 installations of this application for over 15 years now and >> is >>> one of the few things I don't get complaints about or requests for >> changes. >>> Skip >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BJ Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:36 PM >>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org >>> Subject: Re: shipments made for out of stock items >>> >>> >>> Ok lets take it from the item issuance. >>> here is the scenario. >>> one product >>> two suppliers >>> one used to refill local stock >>> one one to dropship. >>> >>> so you may have local stock or it may be ordered from the supplier that >>> refills local stock. >>> and under certain circumstances the dropshipper is used. >>> >>> now you may check inventory which means look at any orders pending >>> and on determining that the delivery date is beyond the ship date to the >>> customer may opt to send the order to the Dropshipper. >>> >>> so putting in parms like use local inventory if with in so many days of >>> shipping date to customer >>> or if available use dropship under any circumstance to satisfy back >> orders. >>> Not sure if this goes with the product or inventory in a facility >>> I was thinking of having a place in the product to assign a service that >>> would best suit the configuration for a client. >>> >>> this would allow many scenarios with out really changing the programming >>> of ofbiz. >>> >>> >>> David E Jones sent the following on 10/24/2007 4:19 PM: >>>> I'm not sure I totally understand what you're looking at BJ... >>>> >>>> This may very well make sense as a configuration flag, either for a >>>> ProductStore or for a Facility, so specify whether or not shipping >>>> without inventory in stock is allowed. >>>> >>>> The Quick Ship Entire Order service would be affected by this, as would >>>> certain other things. The best place to implement it is probably in the >>>> issue order item to shipment service (the one that creates the >>>> ItemIssuance records). That's what actually takes thing out of stock (ie >>>> does the stock out). >>>> >>>> -David >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 24, 2007, at 5:05 PM, BJ Freeman wrote: >>>> >>>>> if the inventory supplier is a dropshipper would be the consideration. >>>>> since you can have many suppliers for a product, you could have a >>>>> supplier you order from for your local supplier and a drop shipper as >>>>> well. >>>>> this would come under a scenario of determining best cost and delivery >>>>> of the product which is part of ERP. >>>>> >>>>> So I don't think a simple flag is the answer. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Skip sent the following on 10/24/2007 3:33 PM: >>>>>> BJ >>>>>> >>>>>> No, I have considered only my own needs. However, a property which >>>>>> determines the behavior satisfies both camps. >>>>>> >>>>>> Skip >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: BJ Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:27 PM >>>>>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: shipments made for out of stock items >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Skip have you consider the sequence for a dropshipper, and some >>>>>> fulfillment houses. >>>>>> you don't have their inventory. >>>>>> >>>>>> Skip sent the following on 10/24/2007 1:09 PM: >>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree that this is a big hole/bug. On the other hand, there are >>>>>>> folks >>>>>> who >>>>>>> don't mind/prefer the sloppiness (I have a customer just like >>>>>>> that). So, >>>>>>> perhaps we could use a property to define the behavior, like: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ilikesloppybookkeeping=true/false (tongue in cheek) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, I would be happy to collaborate to get this done. I want >>>>>>> requirements and automatic backorders issued for out of stock etc for >>>>>> quick >>>>>>> ship. I was just about to start work on this. We could modify the >>>>>> existing >>>>>>> service to look for a property and if it exists, do the better >>>>>>> bookkeeping >>>>>> / >>>>>>> automatic ordering. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is a hole for me because if my customer has a customer at the >>>>>>> counter >>>>>>> and is selling him some stuff and part of it is on back order, he >>>>>>> has to >>>>>>> exit out of the sales order screen and go to the shipping screen to >>>>>>> get it >>>>>>> all done right. It's a pain and will happen 10 times a day for him. >>>>>> Fixing >>>>>>> the quickship will take care of it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe with the configurable property, the muckity-mucks won't be so >>>>>>> reluctant to accept it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skip >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: David E Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:24 PM >>>>>>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: shipments made for out of stock items >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:41 AM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The more I think about this, it seems inappropriate for an ERP >>>>>>>> system to allow this. Why would the quick ship service allow a user >>>>>>>> to charge a customers credit card and "ship" a physical product >>>>>>>> that the system "knew" was not available? >>>>>>> For some users the system doesn't know everything... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Before charging the card, the sales person would want to confirm >>>>>>>> that the goods were actually available. Once this was confirmed, it >>>>>>>> would take a facility worker 30 seconds to adjust the inventory, >>>>>>>> leaving an audit trail etc. >>>>>>> Yes, but not everyone wants to use it this way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To me this seems like a JIRA issue, which should be fixed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll submit the issue and we'll submit a fix. >>>>>>> It will most likely be rejected. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>>>>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> David E Jones wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Well, there ya go! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The quick ship order stuff doesn't check stock levels... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -David >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I should have mentioned that we created a new service to >>>>>>>>>>> automatically create shipments. It calls quickShipOrder as part >>>>>>>>>>> of it's processing. >>>>>>>>>>> -Dave >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> David E Jones wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean by "being created"? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There isn't really anything that automatically creates >>>>>>>>>>>> shipments, unless a human does it through some UI like the >>>>>>>>>>>> shipment or packing screens (or a service or something was >>>>>>>>>>>> written to automatically do it somehow). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -David >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It appears that shipments are being created with out of stock >>>>>>>>>>>>> items in an implementation we are doing. I am guessing this is >>>>>>>>>>>>> due to product store settings, not a code issue. >>>>>>>>>>>>> rev = 545314 >>>>>>>>>>>>> check inventory=Y >>>>>>>>>>>>> reserve inventory=Y >>>>>>>>>>>>> require inventory=N >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> All products are finished goods (no digital or virtual) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any help. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave Tenerowicz >>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Office: 303.493.6727 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mobile 303.906.6116 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fax 303.814.8330 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> For ERP Information: http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> ERP_CRM.jsp?nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServices >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Dave Tenerowicz >>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Office: 303.493.6727 >>>>>>>>>>> Mobile 303.906.6116 >>>>>>>>>>> Fax 303.814.8330 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com >>>>>>>>>>> For ERP Information: http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ >>>>>>>>>>> ERP_CRM.jsp?nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServices >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Dave Tenerowicz >>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Office: 303.493.6727 >>>>>>>> Mobile 303.906.6116 >>>>>>>> Fax 303.814.8330 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com >>>>>>>> For ERP Information: http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ >>>>>>>> ERP_CRM.jsp?nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServices >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > >
