As for the marketing aspect, linking works both ways. Looking at the homepage of OFBiz I see that marketing is done for various websites . Beside the fact that there is a potential thread of violation of the rights of others, it could be regarded as applying double standards.
Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com>wrote: > Having done a cursory review of websites of other Apache Projects I can > state that we are not creating a precedent here. > > As for the possibility of potentially conveying the impression that the > community or the ASF are officially supporting implementation and support > providers this can be easily corrected with a statement at the top of the > document(s). As for the remark regarding approving any content this can be > said of anything posted in any document the project controls, e.g. mailing > lists postings. > > Regarding violating trademark policies of ASF it is so that the foundation > has sufficient means (and procedures) at its disposal to take corrective > measures. If there are violations of such policies, then these should be > addressed. > > Regards, > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Jacopo Cappellato < > jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote: > >> >> On Feb 17, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Nick Rosser <nros...@solveda.com> wrote: >> >> > So what's the final word on this? >> > >> > Seems like we have mostly "yeahs" for this change. >> >> This doesn't seem an accurate summary of the feedback received: Jacques >> and Pierre expressed a positive feedback; Christian seems neutral; I am >> against; no one else expressed an opinion yet. >> It is really too early to come up to such a conclusion. >> >> > Can we get it done? >> >> I understand that companies are interested in getting free marketing (SEO >> etc..) from independent and authoritative sources like the official OFBiz >> site and the ASF in general, and this adds some pressure on the OFBiz PMC >> and project. However, as I already stated, I will be against any changes, >> e.g., adding a link on the "top menu", that may convey the impression that >> the project officially supports or even approves any content on which there >> is no control, e.g., the content of wiki documents. >> >> Specifically, the links you want to add in the top menu point to the >> following documents: >> >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+Service+Providers >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+User+List >> >> for which there is no control or rules on who, what and how information >> can be published, and there are links that potentially violate the >> trademarks policy of OFBIZ and ASF. >> After a cursory review of the content of these documents I would be even >> tempted to propose the removal of the links from the documentation page, >> rather than adding them to the top menu (and I am a bit surprised to see >> that a PMC member may be in favor of adding them there). >> >> Regards, >> >> Jacopo >> >> > >> > Nick >> > >> > On 2/12/2014 5:45 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: >> >> It shouldn't prove to difficult to have menu items in the menu bar of >> the >> >> website that directly link to pages in the wiki. >> >> >> >> Pierre Smits >> >> >> >> *ORRTIZ.COM<http://www.orrtiz.com>* >> >> Services& Solutions for Cloud- >> >> Based Manufacturing, Professional >> >> Services and Retail& Trade >> >> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Jacopo Cappellato< >> >> jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> The project doesn't have much control over the information published >> in >> >>> the wiki and we should not publish links in the official website that >> may >> >>> imply that these pages are official. In the past we had issues and >> >>> discussions around what was published in the official website and the >> >>> current website is the result of those. >> >>> >> >>> Jacopo >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Jacques Le Roux< >> >>> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> I think you have a point Nick, >> >>>> >> >>>> We could add those without expecting load issues on Confluence >> indeed. >> >>>> >> >>>> Jacques >> >>>> >> >>>> On Friday, February 07, 2014 4:06 PM, nros...@solveda.com wrote >> >>>>> Pierre: "attract some more participation" -- exactly. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I did see a response about the original change to omit these from >> the >> >>>>> home page - I can't imagine that we have enough traffic to stress >> any >> >>>>> server. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> If there is general agreement who can make the change? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 2/7/2014 3:53 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: >> >>>>>> I agree with the above. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Not only will it deliver on the marketing aspect, but it might also >> >>> attract >> >>>>>> some more participation. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Regards, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Pierre Smits >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM<http://ORRTIZ.COM>* >> >>>>>> Services& Solutions for Cloud- >> >>>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >> >>>>>> Services and Retail& Trade >> >>>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Jacques Le Roux< >> >>>>>> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> That sounds a good marketing idea to me >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> This was a bit like that before, >> >>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=925066 >> >>>>>>> But has been moved down because of conflicting opinions. I don't >> >>> remember >> >>>>>>> clearly... >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> What are others opinions? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Jacques >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 05, 2014 2:40 PM, nrosser@solveda.comwrote >> >>>>>>>> All, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Whenever I look at pretty much anything these days I look for a >> >>>>>>>> "clients" link to see who is using a product or service. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> If I'm looking to use a piece of software and review at the >> vendor's >> >>>>>>>> site I will often look to see who are the partners (integrators) >> are >> >>> -- >> >>>>>>>> as a client I would be looking for some comfort level that the >> >>> product >> >>>>>>>> or service will well supported. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> For OFBiz this is hidden under the "documentation" tab, at the >> >>> bottom of >> >>>>>>>> that page, in small font and labelled "Users of Apache OFBiz".and >> >>>>>>>> "Apache OFBiz Service Providers". Documentation to me is just >> that, a >> >>>>>>>> list of user and technical documentation, white papers etc. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Could these two links to main navigation bar? I would suggest >> that >> >>> the >> >>>>>>>> main navigation is: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Home >> >>>>>>>> Download >> >>>>>>>> Community >> >>>>>>>> Service Providers >> >>>>>>>> Who is using OFBiz? >> >>>>>>>> Documentation >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Nick >> >>> >> >> >
