OK, some interesting points being made. Although I truly believe that
for a bet-your-business solution like OFBiz having a list of users and
service providers is much more important than for "technical" based
projects. It certainly would be for me.
Pierre established that some of the other projects do have links to this
type of info -- and made some good points about being in favor of this
type of change.
Given that there are 3 in favor (me, Pierre, Jacques), 1 against
(Jacopo) and 1 neutral (Christian) -- what is the procedure for making a
decision on this change?
Anyone else in the community have any additional thoughts?
BTW: just to throw it out there -- would this change be easier to make
if we did not modify the primary navigation area and added the 2 links
to the "Resources and Tools" section?
Nick
On 2/18/2014 6:08 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:
As for the marketing aspect, linking works both ways.
Looking at the homepage of OFBiz I see that marketing is done for various
websites . Beside the fact that there is a potential thread of violation of
the rights of others, it could be regarded as applying double standards.
Regards,
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM<http://www.orrtiz.com>*
Services& Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail& Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Pierre Smits<pierre.sm...@gmail.com>wrote:
Having done a cursory review of websites of other Apache Projects I can
state that we are not creating a precedent here.
As for the possibility of potentially conveying the impression that the
community or the ASF are officially supporting implementation and support
providers this can be easily corrected with a statement at the top of the
document(s). As for the remark regarding approving any content this can be
said of anything posted in any document the project controls, e.g. mailing
lists postings.
Regarding violating trademark policies of ASF it is so that the foundation
has sufficient means (and procedures) at its disposal to take corrective
measures. If there are violations of such policies, then these should be
addressed.
Regards,
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM<http://www.orrtiz.com>*
Services& Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail& Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Jacopo Cappellato<
jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
On Feb 17, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Nick Rosser<nros...@solveda.com> wrote:
So what's the final word on this?
Seems like we have mostly "yeahs" for this change.
This doesn't seem an accurate summary of the feedback received: Jacques
and Pierre expressed a positive feedback; Christian seems neutral; I am
against; no one else expressed an opinion yet.
It is really too early to come up to such a conclusion.
Can we get it done?
I understand that companies are interested in getting free marketing (SEO
etc..) from independent and authoritative sources like the official OFBiz
site and the ASF in general, and this adds some pressure on the OFBiz PMC
and project. However, as I already stated, I will be against any changes,
e.g., adding a link on the "top menu", that may convey the impression that
the project officially supports or even approves any content on which there
is no control, e.g., the content of wiki documents.
Specifically, the links you want to add in the top menu point to the
following documents:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+Service+Providers
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+User+List
for which there is no control or rules on who, what and how information
can be published, and there are links that potentially violate the
trademarks policy of OFBIZ and ASF.
After a cursory review of the content of these documents I would be even
tempted to propose the removal of the links from the documentation page,
rather than adding them to the top menu (and I am a bit surprised to see
that a PMC member may be in favor of adding them there).
Regards,
Jacopo
Nick
On 2/12/2014 5:45 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:
It shouldn't prove to difficult to have menu items in the menu bar of
the
website that directly link to pages in the wiki.
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM<http://www.orrtiz.com>*
Services& Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail& Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Jacopo Cappellato<
jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
The project doesn't have much control over the information published
in
the wiki and we should not publish links in the official website that
may
imply that these pages are official. In the past we had issues and
discussions around what was published in the official website and the
current website is the result of those.
Jacopo
On Feb 10, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Jacques Le Roux<
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:
I think you have a point Nick,
We could add those without expecting load issues on Confluence
indeed.
Jacques
On Friday, February 07, 2014 4:06 PM, nros...@solveda.com wrote
Pierre: "attract some more participation" -- exactly.
I did see a response about the original change to omit these from
the
home page - I can't imagine that we have enough traffic to stress
any
server.
If there is general agreement who can make the change?
On 2/7/2014 3:53 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:
I agree with the above.
Not only will it deliver on the marketing aspect, but it might also
attract
some more participation.
Regards,
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM<http://ORRTIZ.COM>*
Services& Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail& Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Jacques Le Roux<
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:
That sounds a good marketing idea to me
This was a bit like that before,
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=925066
But has been moved down because of conflicting opinions. I don't
remember
clearly...
What are others opinions?
Jacques
On Wednesday, February 05, 2014 2:40 PM, nrosser@solveda.comwrote
All,
Whenever I look at pretty much anything these days I look for a
"clients" link to see who is using a product or service.
If I'm looking to use a piece of software and review at the
vendor's
site I will often look to see who are the partners (integrators)
are
--
as a client I would be looking for some comfort level that the
product
or service will well supported.
For OFBiz this is hidden under the "documentation" tab, at the
bottom of
that page, in small font and labelled "Users of Apache OFBiz".and
"Apache OFBiz Service Providers". Documentation to me is just
that, a
list of user and technical documentation, white papers etc.
Could these two links to main navigation bar? I would suggest
that
the
main navigation is:
Home
Download
Community
Service Providers
Who is using OFBiz?
Documentation
Nick
