Like debating with you, Sott Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Scott Gray <scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote: > Quite a novel you've written there Piere. There's so many things I'd like > to clarify in your rant but you're so far detached from the reality of how > this community works that it's gotten to the point of being pointless. > > Regards > Scott > > > On 19 September 2014 20:59:48 GMT+12:00, Pierre Smits < > pierre.sm...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Is you response directed to me, Scot? Or is it to all of the 'other > >kind of > >contributors than you are'? > > > >If directed at me, then have the common decency to state my name, so > >that > >all of us do know that too. > > > >RE: mailing list moderators. > >Up to yesterday, I was not aware of the fact that there was such a > >group, > >nor who the members are that are policing what gets in mailing list. > >Having > >done a little search on that subject in our wikis I found no reference > >about it, nor a disclosure of this. Doing a wider search in my mail > >archives I found that Jacques expressed back in November 2013 that it > >was > >unclear to him who those moderators were. And he is a PMC Member..... > > > >I guess I must compliment the PMC on showing such great restraint in: > > > > - disclosing that there is a group within this community called the > > 'mailing list moderators' > >- disclosing who the community members are that are policing our > >mailing > > lists > > - reporting on what this group has kept out and/or removed our mailing > > lists. > > > >My advise to the PMC is to re-evaluate and correct that situation. This > >community deserves transparency and disclosure. > > > >RE: critique > >Yes, Jacopo was criticising me using this mailing list for this matter. > >Not > >you, nor any other community member. That you think about it and > >express > >your viewpoint is a good thing to improve the work and/or the > >interactions > >between community members of this project. > >But don't try to shun or ostracize the other community member that does > >the > >same. Like you have tried in the past onto me and others with even far > >less > >moderation in you tones than you are sharing now. > > > >How wondrous and ambiguous you are when saying that 'community members > >perceive my actions in a negative way' and that thus meritocacy works > >against me. > >Is that your kind of community members? Or the other kind, the kind > >with > >the power to vote? The way you have expressed your self in the past, > >you > >could better have said 'we, the active committers and PMC members'. > > > >And meritocracy works against me? In this project it is applied as a > >popularity poll amongst persons who, in my opinion, only vote to > >protect > >their power base. But not in respect of bringing this project further, > >community wise. > > > >From day one of my participation in this project, from my first > >contribution onwards the cards in the deck have been stacked against me > >and > >any of the other kind of contributor, because: > > > > - I haven't done code contributions to the set of components in the > > framework stack, > > - I haven't been your lackey, serf or yes-man every time you, and the > > other contributors like you, contributed stuff, > > - I have called you out when you used foul language towards other > > community members and myself. > > > >And you hold grudges. > > > >Since the day this project came out of the incubator, since the day > >archives and stats are available on the mailing lists and, for sure, on > >the > >other tools of this project, it shows that I am, in absolute numbers, > >one > >of the most active non-committing contributors in this projects, > >whether > >you look at identifying issues, contributing patches helping newcomers > >and > >other community members and promoting both the works of this project > >and > >the project itself. Even promoting other contributors. > >I have been even more active than some of your kind. And if you or > >anyone > >else don't or doens't believe me, for an indication you can have a look > >at > >the 'Who sent it' overview in http://markmail.org/search/?q=ofbiz I am > >in > >the top 25. > > > >That you regard my contributions as mediocre and/or argumentative for > >the > >sake of arguing, like you have done in the past, says more about you > >and > >your regards for contributions of the other kind of contributors and > >thus > >about those contributors, than the actual, objective merit of these > >contributions to this project. Meritocracy at work, my ass. > > > >That we disagree on points is fact. I respect our differences in > >viewpoints. I regret that you don't express - through your actions - > >the > >capability, nor the willingness to work with every contributor in > >finding > >consensus in improving this community and the total some of works of > >this > >project. > > > >Nonetheless, I do appreciate all your contributions to improve the > >quality > >of the code base of the components in the framework stack. And I'll > >appreciate you leaving the other stuff of this project to others. > > > > > >Now, to put it in the same paternalistic way as Jacopo has done, let's > >all > >get back to work, do what each of us is good at and thus make OFBiz a > >better project and product. And stop arguing for the sake of arguing. > > > >Pierre Smits > > > >*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > >Services & Solutions for Cloud- > >Based Manufacturing, Professional > >Services and Retail & Trade > >http://www.orrtiz.com > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
