Not sure if I can help :( I only have access to iMac which works as expected (can't fix something I can't reproduce :(( )
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 17:28, Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ok, these are the result > > > In https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/ > > # OSX *10.15.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound looping *YES* > > # OSX *10.14.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound looping *NO* > > *===========* > > In https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/multi/ > > # OSX *10.15.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound super sensitive > > # OSX *10.14.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound no sensitive and > dry > > ...something more? ...Avanti! > > > .............. > > > > El mié, 29-07-2020 a las 18:51 +1200, seba.wag...@gmail.com escribió: > > Oh sure! > > I am just interested in - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO* > > If you test with those additionally on > https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/ > > and check if you get some feedback loop (that means its working!) > > @Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> from my tests actually my > Safari works fine with some of those webRTC examples. Still very strange > how old Safari versions would work and later ones don't! > I am still not sure if this issue is related to an API change in Safari, > or if there something wrong with how OpenMeetings is using the API (and > Safari13 exposing that in some way). > > Thanks, > Seb > > Sebastian Wagner > Director Arrakeen Solutions > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ > > <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url> > <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url> > > > On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 17:46, Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Sebastian, > > Could you please be a little more explicite? > > Each OSX in my iMac it is installed on a phiyical hard drive > partition, then i must reboot the machine to go from one to > other OSX, and that is a little heavy. > > So, could you say me in wich OSX you want i make the test, > with what browser and what examples in concret? > > There is around 43 examples. 43X6 = 258 test (6 are my OSXes > in the iMac, is also Yosemite). > > Please tell me, and with pleasure i wil make the testing. > > > > ........................... > > > > El mié, 29-07-2020 a las 09:16 +1200, seba.wag...@gmail.com escribió: > > Could you try also some of the official examples from: > https://webrtc.github.io/samples/ > > For example: > https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/ > or > https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/multi/ > > You will notice on Chrome you will get an immediate feedback loop (which > is quite annoying :)) But it actually means that it works! It does playback > the sound directly again, and if you are not using a headset, it will lead > to a audio-feedback loop/noise. > > On Safari I have limited success with those. But they still seem to work. > > Thanks, > Sebastian > > Sebastian Wagner > Director Arrakeen Solutions > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ > > <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url> > <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url> > > > On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 02:44, Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ...'ve reloaded the page many times and no changes resultat. > > > ..................... > > > > El mar, 28-07-2020 a las 16:11 +0200, Alvaro escribió: > > Ok, here is my test in: > > https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/hash?app=settings > > > > *#* OSX *10.11.6* - Safari *11.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO* > > When try recording appear a red message: > > OperationError: Expect at least 4 fields > > Can't record (play) > > =============== > > > *#* OSX *10.12.6* - Safari *12.0.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *YES* > > When try recording appear a red message: > > OperationError: Expect at least 4 fields > > Can't record (play) > > =============== > > > *# *OSX *10.13.6* - Safari *12.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *YES* > > Can't record (play) > > =============== > > > *# *OSX *10.14.6 * - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO* > > Can't record (play) > > =============== > > > *#* OSX *10.15.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO* > > Can't record (play) > > =============== > > Well Maxim, if is needed to test in any other way, please tell me, > but with words that those have not the tecnical knowting, like > me, can understand. > > > > ------------------------------------- > > > > > > > El mar, 28-07-2020 a las 14:41 +0200, Alvaro escribió: > > ...am updatimg the OSes OSX. > > Sorry to read only the first parte of the url. > > > ................ > > El mar, 28-07-2020 a las 18:54 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik escribió: > > Hello Alvaro, > > Please re-read my message > > ============= > Hello Safari owners :) > Could you please visit > https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/hash?app=settings and tell me is > it works as expected in Safari browser (11+) > Thanks in advance :)) > ============= > > Could you please test this page with all Safari versions starting with 11? > > > On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 18:03, Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> wrote: > > OSX 10.15.6 -- Safari 13.1.2 -- Private room ==> No green bar > mic > In one hour will test other safari versions. > > .................... > > > > El mar, 28-07-2020 a las 08:02 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik escribió: > > Hello Safari owners :)Could you please visit https://om.alteametasoft > > .com:8443/next/hash?app=settings and tell me is it works as expected > > in Safari browser (11+) > > Thanks in advance :)) > > > > @Sebastian, > > It is great idea to add NOTICE for Safari 13, I'm not sure It should > > be added to OM UI .... > > Adding to UI means we have to add it to 35 languages and maintain ... > > > > > > On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 06:02, seba.wag...@gmail.com <seba.wagner@gmai > > l.com> wrote: > > > If it's just limited to Safari13 then its prob fine. > > > Will we issue a warning though somehow? > > > > > > The experience for a brand new user trying it for the first time > > > usually means they consider the application not ready and they > > > won't try again. > > > > > > So having some warning saying "Safari13 is currently only beta > > > support" it would definitely help a lot to manage those users not > > > getting angry! > > > > > > We could just add a simple warning info text on the login page for > > > example? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Seb > > > > > > Sebastian Wagner > > > Director Arrakeen Solutions > > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 00:11, Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Yes, release as-is... > > > > > > > > ................. > > > > > > > > El lun, 27-07-2020 a las 13:14 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik escribió: > > > > > I was hoping Develop->WebRTC switches can enable sound at > > > > > Safari 13And this might give as some insight of what can be > > > > > improved > > > > > (not sure if generic test application is useful anyhow) > > > > > > > > > > @All, > > > > > Shall we release as-is or spent additional month+ trying to > > > > > investigate Safari 11 ? > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 13:07, seba.wag...@gmail.com <seba.wagne > > > > > r...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > No but the generic test application at https://webrtc.github. > > > > > > io/samples/src/content/getusermedia/audio/ seems to work > > > > > > better now after restarting my Mac. > > > > > > However the OpenMeetings application setup application seems > > > > > > to not do much when recording the stream. > > > > > > And there is no level-meter when audio/mic is enabled. > > > > > > And there is no sound output on a 2nd device when using > > > > > > Safari13 and enabling mic on the Safari device. Chrome > > > > > > however works fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Seb > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebastian Wagner > > > > > > Director Arrakeen Solutions > > > > > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 17:45, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax666@gm > > > > > > ail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > While testing with Safari 11 I noticed some "WebRTC" > > > > > > > submenu in "Develop" menuDo you have it on Safari 13? > > > > > > > Can you "play" with options? > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 12:43, seba.wag...@gmail.com <seba.w > > > > > > > ag...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I think in Safari 11 they introduced support for > > > > > > > > audio/video: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_version_history#Safa > > > > > > > > ri_11 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Includes updated media controls for HTML5 video and > > > > > > > > audio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Adds support for new web technologies such as WebRTC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC>, Media Capture > > > > > > > > API, Resource > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Timing API, WebAssembly <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki > > > > > > > > /WebAssembly>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > variable fonts, CSS strokes and more.[63] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_version_history# > > > > > > > > cite_note-63> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But then in Safari 13 there are quite a lot of changes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safari-release- > > > > > > > > notes/safari-13-release-notes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm in terms of releasing, I am not sure, would be good to > > > > > > > > get a few more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > users to confirm on Safari13. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the issue is really a generic Safari13 limitation or > > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebastian Wagner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Director Arrakeen Solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af > > > > > > > > 6f-49033f10d60a/public_url> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9f > > > > > > > > af-099038475e36/public_url> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 17:38, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax66 > > > > > > > > 6...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll try to find newer iMac, but have no idea where ATM > > > > > > > > :((( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be on vacation 1-15 August without any access to > > > > > > > > internet (maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occasional access to mobile internet) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought to release before my vacation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think it is possible? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 12:35, seba.wag...@gmail.com <se > > > > > > > > ba.wag...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I'm using Safari 13 and it doesn't work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And I think I'm not alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Seb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Sebastian Wagner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Director Arrakeen Solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968 > > > > > > > > -af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02 > > > > > > > > -9faf-099038475e36/public_url> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 17:34, Maxim Solodovnik <soloma > > > > > > > > x...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Hello Sebastian, All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> I just was able to get real iMac to test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> It has Safari 11 (and I have no rights to update it) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Everything works as expected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> I have tested demo-next as-is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> My steps were > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> 1) on Safari enter restricted room > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> 2) start Audio only broadcasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Result: green sound bar is jumping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> 3) enter same room Ubuntu 20.04+Chromium latest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Result: I can hear the audio in the room > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> I will have access to the iMac for couple more hours, > > > > > > > > please let me know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> if I should do any additional tests > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 04:32, seba.wag...@gmail.com < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> As reported in a few email discussions: Safari on > > > > > > > > iOS does not capture > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> audio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> We could establish that playback is fine. But > > > > > > > > capturing audio does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> There are currently two tickets we have: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> - OPENMEETINGS-2277 - Fixing the capture of audio > > > > > > > > on Safari/iOS in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> conference room (some other subject but we > > > > > > > > established that that's the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> root > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> cause) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> - OPENMEETINGS-2412 - Fixing the capture of audio > > > > > > > > on Safari/iOS in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> setup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> testing tool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> There are various discussions where some think some > > > > > > > > code change on our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> end > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> would fix it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> I am not sure about that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> There seems to be even the official webRTC samples > > > > > > > > broken for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Safari/iOS: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> See for example webRTC samples section: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/getuser > > > > > > > > media/audio/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> => Works in Chrome/iOS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> => Fails in Safari/iOS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> I also started a discussion at discuss-webRTC : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> https://groups.google.com/g/discuss-webrtc/c/XBeiy3G > > > > > > > > pVLg/m/kbsCU25IBgAJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In my opinion: Fixing this issue inside OpenMeetings > > > > > > > > is rather complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> As > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> there is a lot of other code. So I would like to see > > > > > > > > a simple minimal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> code > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> example to start with. If that works fine, I'm > > > > > > > > convinced we can fix it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> OpenMeetings too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Are there other opinions or ideas on how to approach > > > > > > > > this ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> If there is no reply or not an answer on discuss- > > > > > > > > webRTC I would also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> to interview people at Kurento mailing lists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Sebastian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Sebastian Wagner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-496 > > > > > > > > 8-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b0 > > > > > > > > 2-9faf-099038475e36/public_url > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Maxim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maxim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Maxim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Maxim > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Maxim > > > > -- > Best regards, > Maxim > > > > -- Best regards, Maxim
