The webRTC issue is also manifesting in the official webRTC reference code
examples at:
https://webrtc.github.io/samples/

I do think other products will have the same issue on Safari13. But I would
be worth validating.

Somebody from Apple got in touch with me, and suggested that I submit a
ticket to bugs.webkit.org and attach sysdiagnose.

So I may try that and see if that gives some results.

Thanks,
Seb

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On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 at 18:00, Jason <ja...@romos.net> wrote:

> I do see a few other video conferring products that have an app as well as
> web based that are working on the iPad for the mic issue.  They are open
> source so we could look and see what they did to resolve the issue.
>
> J
>
>
>
> On Saturday, Aug 08, 2020 at 12:11 AM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There doesn't seem to be much replies on the webRTC forums.
>
> My only ideas are around usage of the MediaStreamConstraints and some
> special Safari settings that need to be considered:
>
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/MediaStreamConstraints/audio
>
> But there is very little in terms of finding out what
> capabilities/MediaStreamConstraints Safari13 would support.
>
> Thanks,
> Seb
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>
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>
>
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 02:54, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Not sure if I can help :(
>> I only have access to iMac which works as expected (can't fix something I
>> can't reproduce :(( )
>>
>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 17:28, Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ok, these are the result
>>>
>>>
>>> In https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/
>>>
>>> # OSX *10.15.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound looping *YES*
>>>
>>> # OSX *10.14.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound looping *NO*
>>>
>>> *===========*
>>>
>>> In https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/multi/
>>>
>>> # OSX *10.15.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound super sensitive
>>>
>>> # OSX *10.14.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound no sensitive
>>> and dry
>>>
>>> ...something more? ...Avanti!
>>>
>>>
>>> ..............
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El mié, 29-07-2020 a las 18:51 +1200, seba.wag...@gmail.com escribió:
>>>
>>> Oh sure!
>>>
>>> I am just interested in - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO*
>>>
>>> If you test with those additionally on
>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/
>>>
>>> and check if you get some feedback loop (that means its working!)
>>>
>>> @Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>  from my tests actually my
>>> Safari works fine with some of those webRTC examples. Still very strange
>>> how old Safari versions would work and later ones don't!
>>> I am still not sure if this issue is related to an API change in Safari,
>>> or if there something wrong with how OpenMeetings is using the API (and
>>> Safari13 exposing that in some way).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Seb
>>>
>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>>
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>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 17:46, Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Sebastian,
>>>
>>> Could you please be a little more explicite?
>>>
>>> Each OSX in my iMac it is installed on a phiyical hard drive
>>> partition, then i must reboot the machine to go from one to
>>> other OSX, and that is a little heavy.
>>>
>>> So, could you say me in wich OSX you want i make the test,
>>> with what browser and what examples in concret?
>>>
>>> There is around 43 examples. 43X6 = 258 test (6 are my OSXes
>>> in the iMac, is also Yosemite).
>>>
>>> Please tell me, and with pleasure i wil make the testing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ...........................
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El mié, 29-07-2020 a las 09:16 +1200, seba.wag...@gmail.com escribió:
>>>
>>> Could you try also some of the official examples from:
>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/
>>>
>>> For example:
>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/
>>> or
>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/multi/
>>>
>>> You will notice on Chrome you will get an immediate feedback loop (which
>>> is quite annoying :)) But it actually means that it works! It does playback
>>> the sound directly again, and if you are not using a headset, it will lead
>>> to a audio-feedback loop/noise.
>>>
>>> On Safari I have limited success with those. But they still seem to work.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sebastian
>>>
>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>>
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>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 02:44, Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...'ve reloaded the page many times and no changes resultat.
>>>
>>>
>>> .....................
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El mar, 28-07-2020 a las 16:11 +0200, Alvaro escribió:
>>>
>>> Ok, here is my test in:
>>>
>>> https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/hash?app=settings
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *#* OSX *10.11.6* - Safari *11.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO*
>>>
>>> When try recording appear a red message:
>>>
>>> OperationError: Expect at least 4 fields
>>>
>>> Can't record (play)
>>>
>>> ===============
>>>
>>>
>>> *#* OSX *10.12.6* - Safari *12.0.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *YES*
>>>
>>> When try recording appear a red message:
>>>
>>> OperationError: Expect at least 4 fields
>>>
>>> Can't record (play)
>>>
>>> ===============
>>>
>>>
>>> *# *OSX *10.13.6* - Safari *12.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *YES*
>>>
>>> Can't record (play)
>>>
>>> ===============
>>>
>>>
>>> *# *OSX *10.14.6 * - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO*
>>>
>>> Can't record (play)
>>>
>>> ===============
>>>
>>>
>>> *#* OSX *10.15.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO*
>>>
>>> Can't record (play)
>>>
>>> ===============
>>>
>>> Well Maxim, if is needed to test in any other way, please tell me,
>>> but with words that those have not the tecnical knowting, like
>>> me, can understand.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El mar, 28-07-2020 a las 14:41 +0200, Alvaro escribió:
>>>
>>> ...am updatimg the OSes OSX.
>>>
>>> Sorry to read only the first parte of the url.
>>>
>>>
>>> ................
>>>
>>> El mar, 28-07-2020 a las 18:54 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik escribió:
>>>
>>> Hello Alvaro,
>>>
>>> Please re-read my message
>>>
>>> =============
>>> Hello Safari owners :)
>>> Could you please visit
>>> https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/hash?app=settings and tell me is
>>> it works as expected in Safari browser (11+)
>>> Thanks in advance :))
>>> =============
>>>
>>> Could you please test this page with all Safari versions starting with
>>> 11?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 18:03, Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> OSX  10.15.6  --  Safari 13.1.2  --  Private room  ==>  No green bar
>>> mic
>>> In one hour will test other safari versions.
>>>
>>> ....................
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El mar, 28-07-2020 a las 08:02 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik escribió:
>>> > Hello Safari owners :)Could you please visit https://om.alteametasoft
>>> > .com:8443/next/hash?app=settings and tell me is it works as expected
>>> > in Safari browser (11+)
>>> > Thanks in advance :))
>>> >
>>> > @Sebastian,
>>> > It is great idea to add NOTICE for Safari 13, I'm not sure It should
>>> > be added to OM UI ....
>>> > Adding to UI means we have to add it to 35 languages and maintain ...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 06:02, seba.wag...@gmail.com <seba.wagner@gmai
>>> > l.com> wrote:
>>> > > If it's just limited to Safari13 then its prob fine.
>>> > > Will we issue a warning though somehow?
>>> > >
>>> > > The experience for a brand new user trying it for the first time
>>> > > usually means they consider the application not ready and they
>>> > > won't try again.
>>> > >
>>> > > So having some warning saying "Safari13 is currently only beta
>>> > > support" it would definitely help a lot to manage those users not
>>> > > getting angry!
>>> > >
>>> > > We could just add a simple warning info text on the login page for
>>> > > example?
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks
>>> > > Seb
>>> > >
>>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > > Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>> > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 00:11, Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > > Yes, release as-is...
>>> > > >
>>> > > > .................
>>> > > >
>>> > > > El lun, 27-07-2020 a las 13:14 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik escribió:
>>> > > > > I was hoping Develop->WebRTC switches can enable sound at
>>> > > > > Safari 13And this might give as some insight of what can be
>>> > > > > improved
>>> > > > > (not sure if generic test application is useful anyhow)
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > @All,
>>> > > > > Shall we release as-is or spent additional month+ trying to
>>> > > > > investigate Safari 11 ?
>>> > > > > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 13:07, seba.wag...@gmail.com <seba.wagne
>>> > > > > r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > > > > No but the generic test application at https://webrtc.github.
>>> > > > > > io/samples/src/content/getusermedia/audio/ seems to work
>>> > > > > > better now after restarting my Mac.
>>> > > > > > However the OpenMeetings application setup application seems
>>> > > > > > to not do much when recording the stream.
>>> > > > > > And there is no level-meter when audio/mic is enabled.
>>> > > > > > And there is no sound output on a 2nd device when using
>>> > > > > > Safari13 and enabling mic on the Safari device. Chrome
>>> > > > > > however works fine.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Thanks
>>> > > > > > Seb
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > > > > > Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>> > > > > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 17:45, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax666@gm
>>> > > > > > ail.com> wrote:
>>> > > > > > > While testing with Safari 11 I noticed some "WebRTC"
>>> > > > > > > submenu in "Develop" menuDo you have it on Safari 13?
>>> > > > > > > Can you "play" with options?
>>> > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 12:43, seba.wag...@gmail.com <seba.w
>>> > > > > > > ag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > > > > > > I think in Safari 11 they introduced support for
>>> > > > > > > > audio/video:
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_version_history#Safa
>>> > > > > > > > ri_11
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >    - Includes updated media controls for HTML5 video and
>>> > > > > > > > audio
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >    - Adds support for new web technologies such as WebRTC
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC>, Media Capture
>>> > > > > > > > API, Resource
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >    Timing API, WebAssembly <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
>>> > > > > > > > /WebAssembly>,
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >    variable fonts, CSS strokes and more.[63]
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_version_history#
>>> > > > > > > > cite_note-63>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > But then in Safari 13 there are quite a lot of changes
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safari-release-
>>> > > > > > > > notes/safari-13-release-notes
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > Hm in terms of releasing, I am not sure, would be good to
>>> > > > > > > > get a few more
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > users to confirm on Safari13.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > If the issue is really a generic Safari13 limitation or
>>> > > > > > > > not.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > Cheers
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > Seb
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af
>>> > > > > > > > 6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9f
>>> > > > > > > > af-099038475e36/public_url>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 17:38, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax66
>>> > > > > > > > 6...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > Well,
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > I'll try to find newer iMac, but have no idea where ATM
>>> > > > > > > > :(((
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > I will be on vacation 1-15 August without any access to
>>> > > > > > > > internet (maybe
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > occasional access to mobile internet)
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > I thought to release before my vacation
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > Do you think it is possible?
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 12:35, seba.wag...@gmail.com <se
>>> > > > > > > > ba.wag...@gmail.com>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >> I'm using Safari 13 and it doesn't work.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >> And I think I'm not alone.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >> Thanks
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >> Seb
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >> Sebastian Wagner
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968
>>> > > > > > > > -af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02
>>> > > > > > > > -9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 17:34, Maxim Solodovnik <soloma
>>> > > > > > > > x...@gmail.com>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >> wrote:
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>> Hello Sebastian, All,
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>> I just was able to get real iMac to test
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>> It has Safari 11 (and I have no rights to update it)
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>> Everything works as expected
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>> I have tested demo-next as-is
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>> My steps were
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>> 1) on Safari enter restricted room
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>> 2) start Audio only broadcasting
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>> Result: green sound bar is jumping
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>> 3) enter same room Ubuntu 20.04+Chromium latest
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>> Result: I can hear the audio in the room
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>> I will have access to the iMac for couple more hours,
>>> > > > > > > > please let me know
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>> if I should do any additional tests
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 04:32, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> As reported in a few email discussions: Safari on
>>> > > > > > > > iOS does not capture
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> audio.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> We could establish that playback is fine. But
>>> > > > > > > > capturing audio does not
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> work.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> There are currently two tickets we have:
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>>  - OPENMEETINGS-2277 - Fixing the capture of audio
>>> > > > > > > > on Safari/iOS in
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> conference room (some other subject but we
>>> > > > > > > > established that that's the
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> root
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> cause)
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>>  - OPENMEETINGS-2412 - Fixing the capture of audio
>>> > > > > > > > on Safari/iOS in
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> setup
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> testing tool
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> There are various discussions where some think some
>>> > > > > > > > code change on our
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> end
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> would fix it.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> I am not sure about that.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> There seems to be even the official webRTC samples
>>> > > > > > > > broken for
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Safari/iOS:
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> See for example webRTC samples section:
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/getuser
>>> > > > > > > > media/audio/
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> => Works in Chrome/iOS
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> => Fails in Safari/iOS
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> I also started a discussion at discuss-webRTC :
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> https://groups.google.com/g/discuss-webrtc/c/XBeiy3G
>>> > > > > > > > pVLg/m/kbsCU25IBgAJ
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> In my opinion: Fixing this issue inside OpenMeetings
>>> > > > > > > > is rather complex.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> As
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> there is a lot of other code. So I would like to see
>>> > > > > > > > a simple minimal
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> code
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> example to start with. If that works fine, I'm
>>> > > > > > > > convinced we can fix it
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> in
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> OpenMeetings too!
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Are there other opinions or ideas on how to approach
>>> > > > > > > > this ?
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> If there is no reply or not an answer on discuss-
>>> > > > > > > > webRTC I would also
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> like
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> to interview people at Kurento mailing lists.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Thanks,
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Sebastian
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>> > > > > > > >
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>>> > > > > > > > >>> --
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>> Best regards,
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>> Maxim
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >>>
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>>> > > > > > > > >>
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>>> > > > > > > > > --
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>>> > > > > > > > > Best regards,
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > Maxim
>>> > > > > > > >
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>>> > > > > > > >
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>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > --
>>> > > > > > > Best regards,
>>> > > > > > > Maxim
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > --
>>> > > > > Best regards,
>>> > > > > Maxim
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Best regards,
>>> > Maxim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
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