On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 at 17:55, Ali Alhaidary <ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org> wrote:
> > On 2/9/21 1:36 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: > > > > On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 at 17:26, Ali Alhaidary <ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org> > wrote: > >> >> On 2/9/21 12:59 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: >> >> Well I start to add new room option for 'suffix' >> But find out I'm not sure how should it work >> >> 1) It is impossible to delete recordings from Moodle plugin >> >> Currently it is possible, is it going to be 'impossible' ? >> > > how? > > Drag and drop it in the bin. > This is a deletion from OM UI NOT from Moodle plugin :) > 2) It seems filtering will also be useless due to 'suffix' will be in >> effect _AFTER_ save, and not before >> >> The suffix should be defined in the activity creation (input text box) >> form, so when the activity is created, the teacher will get something like >> 'moodle-ENG101' if the suffix is defined as '-ENG101' and module is >> 'moodle' by default. And in turn, a new group should be created in OM >> database called 'moodle-ENG101'. >> >> And when the teacher finishes his lesson recording, he rename it, >> > > >> and move it to the 'moodle-ENG101' group recordings that is shown in his >> files tree >> > > this step seems to be redundant > > Currently, recordings are put by default in 'my recordings', so he has to > move it to 'group recordings', and this is a good thing, as the teacher > wants to review the recording before moving it to the 'group recording'. > yep not redundant, but optional step :) > >> , so that when he wants to created 'recording only' activity, he can >> select: >> >> 1. The group name that belongs to him, then >> >> 2. The recording of that specific group. >> > > this is part that will not work :( > when the teacher will create new activity all recordings for the mail > group will be selected > (due to at the moment of creation all fields of activity are empty ....) > > Fine, but at least sorted by module, suffix > In fact - no :( recordings created at "moodle-ENG101" will not be visible while key is "moodle" and the `suffix` is empty to see them teacher will need to create activity (with suffix) save it then edit this looks to me as bad UX :( Maybe you can suggest how it can be improved? > > >> :-) >> >> >> sounds like I don't understand the use case :( >> >> On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 at 14:25, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 at 22:48, Ali Alhaidary <ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The main issues we face: >>>> >>>> 1. All teachers share the same repository of recordings which makes >>>> mistakes of deleting the recording very common :-( >>>> >>>> 2. When using 'show recording' all recordings will be on the list, can >>>> you imagine how many 'Chapter 1 - introduction' recording would be on the >>>> list ??? almost all teachers name their first lesson that. >>>> >>> >>> these 2 will be addressed with new Moodle room option >>> >>> >>>> 3. And still in the plugin activity downloading the recording is done >>>> in an internal name, not as named by the teacher. >>>> >>> >>> this need to be investigated >>> >>> >>>> Ali >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/30/20 5:51 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, moodle database is not UTF8 by default, but we usually change it. >>>> And, yes, it has the same name, however, one more thing, it was two word >>>> group name separated by space 'النُّجُومُ الخَمْسَةِ'. if single Arabic >>>> word without space is used then show recording' will work as expected. >>>> >>>> Ali >>>> On 12/30/20 5:09 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 at 18:34, Ali Alhaidary < >>>> ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It seems that 'show recordings' did not work was not because 'Module >>>>> key' was not 'moodle', but because 'Module key' was an Arabic name, >>>>> >>>> Aha! >>>> this makes sense >>>> Moodle database is not UTF8 by default >>>> can you check in the logs (and in OM) >>>> Does the group created in OM has the same name as "Module key"? >>>> >>>>> when we changed it to English name, it did work ... >>>>> >>>>> Ali >>>>> On 12/30/20 12:54 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Than you @Max, see my response embedded ... >>>>> >>>>> Ali >>>>> On 12/30/20 12:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 at 13:45, Ali Alhaidary < >>>>> ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/23/20 9:22 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Ali, >>>>>> >>>>>> thirst of all we need to agree on definitions :) >>>>>> >>>>>> OM instance for me is "configured OM server" >>>>>> What do you mean by this? >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, thirst, but for new and enhanced features :-) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I mean "first", sorry for the typo :( >>>>> >>>>> That is OK :-) >>>>> >>>>> OM instance is the activity created in one class and not the plugin >>>>>> (OM plugin), so let re-write: >>>>>> >>>>>> moving 'Module key' from OM plugin config to the config of OM >>>>>> activity created in one class. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Moving "Module-key" is not an option >>>>> It also serves for security purposes i.e. to make >>>>> rooms/users/recordings of one connected plugin to be inaccessible for >>>>> another plugin >>>>> What I can propose is to add "suffix" i.e. teacher/admin can create OM >>>>> activity and specify "Group" in additional field (empty by default) >>>>> In such case module key will be `plugin key` concatenated with `group` >>>>> Would it be OK? >>>>> >>>>> Currently, 'Module key' will create a group in OM server called >>>>> 'moodle', and, unless it is 'moodle' the usage of OM activity (instance) >>>>> as >>>>> 'show recordings' will not work ! all other functions are OK, even >>>>> recording, sharing .... and if we put anything else other than 'moodle', >>>>> the plugin will create that group, but 'show recordings' will not show any >>>>> recordings. >>>>> >>>>> So, as per your idea (which is very good and practical) 'Module key' >>>>> will keep being 'moodle' in OM plugin configuration, however, when >>>>> creating >>>>> an activity (instance), the teacher will have an extra field to fill >>>>> (Group), lets assume it will be as course name, how it will reflect in >>>>> room >>>>> tree of recordings? currently we move recordings (after renaming them) to >>>>> 'Group recordings' with the name 'moodle' so that 'show recordings' can be >>>>> used. Can you please share your good thoughts :-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 at 08:02, Ali Alhaidary < >>>>>> ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I assumed so, but it did not. Although we have tens of recordings in >>>>>>> private, group and public in so many OM instances, the list always shows >>>>>>> 'no recordings'. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Only recordings made by user entered from Moodle plugin with same key >>>>>> will be listed >>>>>> >>>>>> all those public, private etc. will not be listed >>>>>> >>>>>> True, but only for the creator in 'my' and for group members in >>>>>> 'group' when in the room of type 'conference' but non in the 'Show >>>>>> recordings' unless Module key is moodle ! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't understand this comment :( >>>>> I just have tested: recordings works as expected: >>>>> >>>>> My steps: >>>>> >>>>> 1. add Activity >>>>> 2. choose OM >>>>> 3. fill `Room name` >>>>> 4. select `Show Recording (select recording from drop down to be >>>>> shown instead of meeting)` as `Room type` >>>>> 5. select recording >>>>> 6. save and display >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Keeping in mind that: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - OM Data folder in out of OM installation folder, >>>>>>> >>>>>> it doesn't matter >>>>>> >>>>>>> - Module key is not 'moodle' >>>>>>> >>>>>> it doesn't matter >>>>>> >>>>>>> - OM server is not on moodle server. >>>>>>> >>>>>> it doesn't matter >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ali >>>>>>> On 12/22/20 7:34 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> something like >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) you create Moodle room as usual >>>>>>> 2) do recording >>>>>>> 3) then create new OM activity with type "Recording" >>>>>>> 4) select recording you made on step 2) >>>>>>> 5) save >>>>>>> Result: your users will see OM recordings panel with this particular >>>>>>> recording and can watch it :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> sort of "share recording" to Moodle users :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 20:19, Ali Alhaidary < >>>>>>> ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How to use room type 'Show Recording' ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Maxim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Maxim >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Maxim >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Maxim >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Maxim >>> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Maxim >> >> > > -- > Best regards, > Maxim > > -- Best regards, Maxim
