Hi Max,

Would you like to have a meeting in OM to discuss?

Ali

On 2/17/21 4:36 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
It seems I understand less and less with each email in this thread :(
Are there any other Moodle plugin users who follow this thread?

On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 at 21:08, Ali Alhaidary <ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org <mailto:ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org>> wrote:

    In moodle, to use an application (called plugin) there are three
    steps:

    1. install the plugin.

    2. create an activity of that plugin in the class page.

    3. use this created activity.

    In OM case,

    1. we install the plugin, and currently, a new group called module
    is created, what I am suggesting is not to create this group at
    this stage.

    2. create an activity of any type other than 'Show Recording' with
    'suffix' added, only then a new group is created in OM database
    called module+suffix.

    3. when the teacher uses this activity he will see an empty
    module+suffix group in his tree list (that used to see module
    group only)

    4. He records the lesson, which will be saved in 'my recordings',
    and after the recording is ready, he will rename it and move it to
    'module+suffix' group.

    We usually do not want students to enter the room just to attend
    the recorded lesson, so the teacher will create an activity of any
    type 'Show Recording' with 'suffix' selected (not added, because
    if he did not create the activity as per step 2, this list will be
    empty and the activity can not be created), and the list of
    recordings will be displayed to be selected.


    On 2/11/21 4:50 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:


    On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 at 20:44, Ali Alhaidary
    <ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org
    <mailto:ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org>> wrote:


        On 2/11/21 4:19 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:


        On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 at 21:29, Ali Alhaidary
        <ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org
        <mailto:ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org>> wrote:

            1. Teacher fills the form of new OM activity with suffix
            field, and save it (see attached in red), at this time,
            new group is created in OM database with the name
            'module+suffix'

        true

            2. A new OM activity is created on his course page.

        true

            3. Teacher clicks on this activity, enters OM room, do
            the recording and exit.

        true

            4. Teacher creates new OM activity with 'Show recording'
            with the same suffix field, and only then he can select
            recordings

        NOT true

        As I wrote 2 times before
        this activity need to be saved "with suffix"
        then opened
        and only the second time recording list will contain correct
        recording ....
        this is the problem
        The activity is saved with 'suffix' as per step 1, and
        executed (opened) as per step 3, where is the problem ?


    I always thought activity of type room is created
    then NEW activity of type recording is created
    I wonder which of two use-case is more common? ...


            I do know when recording list is generated, however, I
            do know that recording will be visible after recording :-)

            On 2/10/21 4:56 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:


            On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 at 20:30, Ali Alhaidary
            <ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org
            <mailto:ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org>> wrote:


                On 2/10/21 4:19 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
                I'll clean-up some context

                On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 at 20:01, Ali Alhaidary
                <ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org
                <mailto:ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org>> wrote:


                    In fact - no :(

                    recordings created at "moodle-ENG101" will
                    not be visible while key is "moodle" and the
                    `suffix` is empty
                    to see them
                    teacher will need to create activity (with
                    suffix)
                    save it
                    then edit

                    this looks to me as bad UX :(

                    Maybe you can suggest how it can be improved?
                    Yes, you are absolutely right, the teacher
                    needs to create an activity with 'suffix'
                    mandatory field, and then he use this
                    activity, enter the room and do recording,
                    only after that, the recording is visible.


                here is the problem
                what exactly do you mean by "after that, the
                recording is visible." ?
                After the teacher does the recording, it should
                (would) be visible in a new activity created with
                the same suffix for recordings only.


            OK, let's start from the beginning :)

            The recordings list is created on server at the very
            beginning
            this means
            1) teacher clicks "Add activity"
              - recording list is created based on "Module key"
            only (there is no suffix for new activity)
              - at this point teacher can't select "suffixed"
            recordings from the list
            3) he/she adds suffix, and saves the activity
            4) click edit
              - recording list is created based on "Module key" and
            "suffix"

            this is what I call bad UX :(



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