Hi, Joe,

This is certainly a reasonable request and I don't take it personally
at all.  I don't think what I have said is overblown.  I will add more
later, but for the moment let me say that one needs to articulate what
Struts does and ask what is left with the new proposals.  I will add
more on that later today if I find the time.  We can all do that,
however.  I do think that, if you want in any sense what Struts has
been, I don't think what I said is alarmist but true.  If not, I
certainly would like to get the truth clarified.  I have found your
contributions to be clear, thought, and sound at all levels.  I am
more than happy to meet this request.

Jack


> At 11:56 PM -0800 11/17/04, Dakota Jack wrote:
> >The bottom line is that Shale is wholly inconsistent with the Struts
> >approach.  If Struts 2.0 becomes Shale, Struts is dead.
> 
> Jack, don't take this personally, as I appreciate your energy and
> your efforts to articulate an alternative -- but I see this as
> alarmist and overblown.  I have been trying to track this thread, and
> I have yet to see a convincing argument backing up this statement.
> 
> I'm still looking for the personal time to get Shale running and to
> look at making an app with it, but if you're going to make this
> statement (and you have a couple of times), then I think you need to
> come up with a concise explanation of why Shale is "wholly
> inconsistent with Struts."  If you've made this point, I apologize
> for missing that email.  Maybe you could add it to the web site
> you're developing, or on a page in the Wiki?
> 
> Elaborating from this, one might ask "what is Struts?"   Particularly
> when one looks at the chain-processing model, the definition becomes
> much more amorphous.  Then again, I don't think the answer is
> critically important.  I don't really care what it's called; I just
> want a webapp framework that makes my job easier.  Continuity with
> Struts 1.x will help with that, since I won't have to live through
> retraining myself and the whole team -- but we've learned to deal
> with lots of change anyway.
> 
> Joe
> 
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