> -----Original Message----- > From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vic > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 12:46 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Opinions on Struts Layout > > > Brantley Hobbs wrote: > > >Hi all! > > > >When our organization was making the decision between .NET > and J2EE, we > >were really struck by how powerful MS's idea of web forms were. The > >ability to drag/drop web controls onto a page is very > attractive, simply > >because our developers were hired to develop; not generate > HTML (as I'm > >sure most of you were). > > > > It's a great 90% solution. The last mile kills you. > > >What eventually did .NET in (at least for us) > >was MS's abysmal security record, and the flexibility > afforded by J2EE > >(i.e., can be deployed on any platform that has a JVM for the most > >part). > > > > > :-) > > >Struts was the first framework project we ran into after we took the > >J2EE plunge. We all really like Struts, but we have been looking for > >more streamlined ways of developing the view. > > > > > > > I let people do prototypes in HTML tools, there are many. > Then I do ren > *.html *.jsp. > > >Well, I ran across Struts Layout > >(http://struts.application-servers.com/index.html). Perhaps > I've been > >living under a rock for a while, but it was something that I'd never > >heard of before, and it seems to offer exactly what we > longed for with > >MS's canned "web controls". > > > >Does anyone here have any familiarity with this project? How does it > >compare with JSF or even with some of the other presentation layer > >projects like Velocity, etc. > > > >One idea that I really like about struts layout is that it's tied > >directly back to struts, so it seems that it might be a more elegant > >solution than mixing technologies. > > > >Any input? > > > > > > > There are many GUI and UI tools for Struts, Java, etc.. You can just > google, http://www.scioworks.com <http://www.scioworks.com/> is one. > For pro applications, you live in the last 10% and the last mile, so > some of us like to hand code. It's acctualy cheaper and > faster to do so. > Why? > 80% of cost of software is maitnance and upgrades. Once you hand code > it, it's very maintainable. If somone says change that and > make it do > X, with handcoded JSP/html I have ninimal problems. > (For JDNC I have tried JFormDesigner). > It depends how you compute your cost of development. > So I don't use generators, nor UI generators.
Then add in that most html generators suck at generating fast, w3c compliant code and you have a real mess on your hands. Take any .net site developed with MS's so called tools... they in general are NOT w3c compliant, and monkeys on keyboards could generate better code. Then modifying it all... yuck. Nope.. hand coding is much faster. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
