Where do you work!? I am going to notify your boss of you disgruntle behavior on this list!!! No wonder why we have H1Bs. They never complain and just take their 2 cents an hour.
And I mean that in the best possible way :p ;-) :D Brandon On 7/6/05, Martin Gainty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unfortunately in the US you can be canned for being too old or having the > wrong religious views > we have a ton of laws on the books but they are unenforced > My question is how do I (an older engineer with politically incorrect views) > get work in Germany > Vielen Danke, > Martin- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christian Bollmeyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <user@struts.apache.org> > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:31 PM > Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] > > > > On Wednesday 06 July 2005 19:48, Rick Reumann wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > >> Daniel Perry wrote the following on 7/6/2005 12:49 PM: > >> > Hah, it's the business use of web/email they fire you for. Go read > >> > your terms of employment, and the reference to "IT acceptible use > >> > policy" that you inadvertantly agreed to. > >> > >> (the below has nothing to do with Mark).. > >> > >> For the record, I'm not against an employer firing an employee for > >> 'whatever' reason they deem fit. If they don't like the way you wear > >> your hair, I think they should have the right to fire you if they > >> want. (The public also has a right to know about it based on the use > >> of the press etc). > > > > Now though I'm clearly not in the position to get fired anytime soon, > > I still think as long as I'm doing my job right and don't blame the > > company I work for, what I do in my leisure time is not my > > employer's business. Including my haircut, age, religious beliefs > > or whatever. What I sell are my skills, work performance and > > last but not least a significant part of my lifetime, but neither > > my soul nor my private life. In Germany, it's not quite that easy > > to get rid of someone who, lets say, just got older because of > > working for you. And I think this is just. Stealing silver spoons, > > including deliberately breaking company rules in terms of > > e-mail usage and the like is another issue. > > > >> Personally, if I owned a company and someone was using the company > >> email domain name to post on sites such as "swingers" or > >> "transvestitepride," I think I should have right to terminate his or > >> her's employment. What I have a problem with is ... > >> > >> 1) The inconsistency in what is protected. For example everyone today > >> talks about "tolerance." But what does this mean? What it ends up > >> meaning is "There are no moral absolutes so the only valid belief > >> system protected is one that doesn't espouse moral judgments." But > >> what about being tolerant to the idea that someone might feel > >> otherwise? Why is state sanctioned secularism the only valid > >> religion (and yes secularism is a belief system - a religion). It's > >> sort of funny that those whom often claim to be the most 'tolerant' > >> are often the most vicious when it comes to attacking someone that > >> disagrees with their view of "tolerance." There are many views I > >> could state that would get me labeled as being 'intolerant,' yet, > >> somehow it's supposedly not offensive to state "All views on X,Y,orZ > >> are equally acceptable." To me, and many others, that later position > >> can be considered extremely offensive. Why is only one view (secular > >> humanism) considered 'non offensive' but other religious views are > >> some how bigoted and intolerant. It's pure hypocrisy. > > > > In Germany, in a major part thanks to the US (I mean it!), religious > > freedom, for instance, is granted to everyone in our Constitutional > > Law (Art. 4 GG). Getting fired just because of one's religious views > > is impossible by law. So I, who believes in Jesus Christ as my personal > > saviour and follows the Bible as his above-all-worldly-wisdom guide > > can happily work together with Hindus and common atheists, in- > > cluding my boss. I can even tell them if they're on the road to > > eternal doom, the same as they may tell me I'm ridiciously wrong, > > and still keep my job. And in fact, the Bible is quite intolerant when > > confronted with modern secularism, but what's my choice? As > > for general opinions and secular beliefs, we have Art. 5 GG > > which grants freedom of speech. So there's no need for > > hypocrisy here at all. On the other hand, I definitely never > > would use a company e-mail address for anything other > > than business communication, and whoever deliberately > > chooses to do otherwise may just have to face the fruits > > of his dauntness. Or his dumbness, if you will. > > > >> 2) Someone taking the time on the list to 'complain' to someone's > >> employer. Sure you have the right to do so, but I think it's lame. > > > > Quality never goes out of style, but good manners may. Possibly > > a matter of education and attitude. I won't judge. > > > > -- Christian. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
