I guess I am a little lost on this comment. There are hundreds / thousands of complex Java sites available on the internet. Examples include US Airways Reservation system, EBay, BlueCross BlueShield of South Carolina, CitiBank, etc.
All of these public sites support very large user bases.
"John Henry Xu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
07/26/2005 06:15 PM
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Mark,
You are right. I worked on Java and hope Java success. That is the reason
my links are java-based. I just want see more sites written in Java. That
is why I think in Java world, we need more doers than talkers.
If more java programmers code complex sites, java could compete to PHP.
But now almost all public sites are dominated by PHP and others... Hope
other Java programmers provides Java links as well.
John H. Xu
http://www.usanalyst.com
http://www.Getusobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Benussi"
To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'"
Subject: RE: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:35:53 +0100
>
> It is interesting to see that the two sites on your footer are
written using
> JSP.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Henry Xu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 26 July 2005 20:42
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
>
> It is interesting to see PHP that has simple programming models
defeat
> Java in real applications.
>
> This leads to a question: Do Java best programming models and
frameworks
> conter-productive for real applications and sites?
>
> The new frameworks, other than struts, I like Spring. I would not
use
> JSF unless JSF had some real applications (based on Sun's
reputation on
> their new technologies).
>
> John H. Xu
>
>
> http://www.usanalyst.com
>
> http://www.GetusJobs.com (The largest free job portal in North
America)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Perry"
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> Subject: RE: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:45:53 +0100
>
> >
> > PHP / (origional) JSP are the same stuff really. Scripted web
page.
> Main
> > difference is php not OO (well, the api isnt), and php doesnt
> require any
> > declarations/typing - which makes it nicer for less able
> programmers.
> >
> > But the big difference is server requirements. JSP uses a lot
more
> server
> > resources. PHP can be made available on the cheapest mass virtual
> hosting
> > servers. JSP (let alone full java web apps) cant.
> >
> > Also, pretty much anyone with any programming skills can pick up
> php in a
> > couple of days. Same cant be said for e.g.
Struts+Java+JSP+Servlet
> etc.
> >
> > This is why i am forced to use php for most sites (ok, so i
> normally pass it
> > on to someone else here), and i tend to use struts for larger
> sites/apps
> > that are going to be hosted internally/on dedicated servers.
> >
> > Daniel.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Henry Xu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 26 July 2005 04:17
> > > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
> > >
> > >
> > > JSF has been there for a while. We have to see how it does in
> > > real applications.
> > >
> > > EJB has been there for many years, but its complexity of
> > > configuration (at least before mature tools were developed)
kept
> > > many J2EE projects expensive and over budgets (bad ROI
examples).
> > >
> > > Thus we have so many frameworks in Java. Sun is to be blamed
for
> > > always providing UNPROVEN technologies for java. In many cases,
> > > following sun too closely is not wise.
> > >
> > > PHP was great but I hope java can catch up in real application.
> > >
> > > John H. Xu
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.usanalyst.com
> > >
> > > http://www.GetusJobs.com (The largest free job portal in North
> America)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: netsql
> > > To: user@struts.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
> > > Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:13:05 -0500
> > >
> > > >
> > > > John Public wrote:
> > > > > After just finishing my JSF class, I can confidently
> > > > > confirm that JSF will eventually lead to Struts
> > > > > becoming OBSOLETE.
> > > >
> > > > :-) Enhydra and Torque would say that too circa 2001.
> > > > Put up a site and lets see it.
> > > >
> > > > > Let's all get
> > > > > behind JSF before MS takes over the web.
> > > >
> > > > Nothing wrong w/ C# IMO.
> > > > I think PHP is "best(fast and cheap, lowest risk, most roi)"
> for
> > > > "genric" server side rendering applications. (But then... I
> think
> > > > the future is client side rendering )
> > > > If JSF(or EJB) fails, it won't be becuase somone did not "get
> > > behind it".
> > > >
> > > > Competition should give us best answer, and I am all for
using
> > > > better tech. Every few years I'd like a new tech please.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -- .V
> > > >
> > > > People are conversing... without posting their email or
filling
> up
> > > their
> > > > mail box.
> > > > roomity.com
> > > >
> > > > No sign up to read or search this Rich Internet App.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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