On 3/22/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Henri Yandell wrote: > > > > foo.apache.org maps to a PMC, which maps to a coding community, not to > > a codebase. > > Henri, I feel I should give you a bit of end-user feedback. I am not > active in any apache.org projects, but, obviously, it happens quite > frequently that I go visit the front page of a given apache.org project, > to check it out for whatever needs I have at that moment. > ยด > FYI, when I visit foo.apache.org, I am not there for the PMC or whatever > ASF bureaucratic construct. I'm there for the code. > > In general, when I visit the front page of a project, I like to be able > to figure out what the thing is fairly quickly. This is definitely a > problem with Struts currently.
So that's a website issue ie) how to join/find the community rather than an issue in how the community itself is structured. Do you have suggestions to improve the Struts website so that things are more clear? There's not a website at the ASF that couldn't be made a bit clearer. > > So: > > > > If Shale, Struts 1.x and Struts 2.x are being developed by the same > > community - > > Nah, my understanding is that this isn't really the case. There is a > Struts 1.x which is basically in maintenance mode. There is a Struts > Action Framework 2.x which is basically Webwork (until recently a > completely separate *competing* product developed outside of ASF) and > that's a completely separate team at the moment. Right, so two communities merging. This is all good - it's probably natural that you'll see the old hands maintaining the 1.2/1.3 releases instead of the Webwork guys, but who knows. Plus there will be new committers, maybe some who just focus on 1.3 because the community wants to keep it alive. > And Shale is something > with a completely different approach, and I assume, has a separate team. Team-wise, everybody in Struts has access to all the code. They're also using the same mailing list, and are components in the same Bugzilla project. All great ways to keep the community together. Looking at viewcvs quickly; I immediately see overlap. People committing to shale who are committing to action-1; and the same for action-2. There will definitely be a focus for each person - but it's easy to see cross-pollination at work. Struts is a cool community. The users are actively involved, in terms of answering and asking; people obviously care about the community - as shown by both your and Dakota's questions and by the desire of the committers to work to keep things together; and there's an active future happening plus legacy being actively maintained by both contributors and committers. Yes, shale and action might move apart as the months/years go by and at some point they might want to separate, but right now it doesn't look like an unhealthy situation to me. These things tend to evolve quite happily - someone like yourself raises a question of whether it's time to make an evolutionary leap, and the community responds. In the case of this thread I think it's not time for the leap. Hen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
