Just being critical & analytical: where die we observe the big drop in community activity ? Switch to Maven & move from 2.1.11 to next version ? (just a guess) => What can we learn from this ?
Bart Remmerie Op 11-nov.-2012 om 18:13 heeft Michael Müller <michael.muel...@mueller-bruehl.de> het volgende geschreven: > Francesco, > > I observe this list for years now (since I started using Cocon 2.1). And I > recongnized some activities, especially from you. But since a couple of years > I'm using a) a different technology (JSF) for my web pages and b) I'm waiting > for Cocoon 3.0 to become ready. Even there are some acitivies, it seems to be > a never ending story. > > I guess it would be helpfull to schedule some dates for beta and release. If > it is so much to do right now, maybe this version might be feature-reduced > and some of the planned features will be postponed to a version 3.1? > Otherwise I'm afraid this project is dead - even though there are some > activities. > > If your horse is dead, don't try to ride it anymore. Change the horse. > (similar to Dakota saying) > > Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards, > Michael Müller > > Am 10.11.2012 14:00, schrieb Francesco Chicchiriccò: >> Hi all, >> I think e-mails like the one below are not helpful at all. >> >> First of all, even though most of critical aspects of our current >> situation are reported, some things are barely wrong: >> >>> down the same page you find the next most recent news is a year and a >>> half old >> Open your favorite browser at http://cocoon.apache.org/ and read that >> latest two news are dated July 2nd and March 3rd 2012 >> >>> When people ask about C2.x (and the latest released version is 2.2) nobody >>> wants to talk about it (except others desperate for information about some >>> aspect of C2); >> Just browse http://cocoon.markmail.org and judge by yourself whether >> this is true or not. >> >>> There are no books on anything later than 2.1, which is about a decade old. >> Just point again your favorite browser to >> http://www.apache.org/dist/cocoon/ and you will see that Cocoon 2.1.11 >> was released on Jan 14th 2008. >> >>> Perhaps 80% of the official documentation is either TBW or skeletal, and >>> the only people who know the inside of Cocoon well enough to complete it >>> keep asking others to do that. >> This is absolutely false for C2.X and only partially true for C3. >> >> Beware, I am not stating that the Cocoon status is healthy, new releases >> with bugfixes and new features are regularly made available and >> documentation is accurate and complete. >> I am only trying to look at the Cocoon project for what it is *today*: a >> project with: >> * very few active committers >> * almost no occasional contributors >> * still a lot of interested people: most because they are running an >> ancient Cocoon version, few because they've heard of Cocoon only recently >> >> In my opinion, a dead project is a project in which no one is >> interested, and Cocoon is not (yet?) that far. >> >> Remembering that Cocoon - like as any other project at ASF - is >> exclusively made up by volunteer contribution, I'd rather start a >> [DISCUSS] thread to see what needs to be done and who is available to >> help instead of such acid and unproductive e-mails. >> >> WDYT? >> >> Regards. >> >> On 08/11/2012 15:10, Mark H. Wood wrote: >>> I'm not surprised at all. Looking 3cm. down the same page you find >>> the next most recent news is a year and a half old. When people ask >>> about C2.x (and the latest released version is 2.2) nobody wants to >>> talk about it (except others desperate for information about some >>> aspect of C2); one is told to use C3. C3 has been alpha for perhaps >>> two years -- there is as yet no beta, let alone a release. There are >>> no books on anything later than 2.1, which is about a decade old. >>> Perhaps 80% of the official documentation is either TBW or skeletal, >>> and the only people who know the inside of Cocoon well enough to >>> complete it keep asking others to do that. Bugs with patches attached >>> languish for years. Seemingly everyone using Cocoon is running a >>> unique local version with scads of patches that are passed around like >>> ancient lore. >>> >>> Why would anyone think Cocoon is dead? > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@cocoon.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@cocoon.apache.org
