...Activities for Cocoon 3 are much to little...
Missing 3 in my contribution. Just for clarification.
Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards,
Michael Müller
Am 11.11.2012 21:42, schrieb Michael Müller:
Bart,
If you guess, Maven is a problem, I second you. Maven might be great
from the developer's view. But a poor (cocoon) user perfers just a
simple setup. Thus Maven might scare users - and it did, when I tried
the new version apx. 5 or 6 years ago.
But from my point of view, tinker on a new realease for such a long
time, is the really problem. Cocoon 2 is mainly in maintenance state.
Some users still run it, thus there are some activities. Activities
for Cocoon are much to little. Neither beta version nor a release is
on the horizon. If this can't be changed soon, I'll predict Cocoon (3)
to die.
Just my 2 cents...
Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards,
Michael Müller
Am 11.11.2012 21:20, schrieb Bart Remmerie:
Just being critical & analytical: where die we observe the big drop
in community activity ? Switch to Maven & move from 2.1.11 to next
version ? (just a guess) => What can we learn from this ?
Bart Remmerie
Op 11-nov.-2012 om 18:13 heeft Michael Müller
<michael.muel...@mueller-bruehl.de> het volgende geschreven:
Francesco,
I observe this list for years now (since I started using Cocon 2.1).
And I recongnized some activities, especially from you. But since a
couple of years I'm using a) a different technology (JSF) for my web
pages and b) I'm waiting for Cocoon 3.0 to become ready. Even there
are some acitivies, it seems to be a never ending story.
I guess it would be helpfull to schedule some dates for beta and
release. If it is so much to do right now, maybe this version might
be feature-reduced and some of the planned features will be
postponed to a version 3.1? Otherwise I'm afraid this project is
dead - even though there are some activities.
If your horse is dead, don't try to ride it anymore. Change the
horse. (similar to Dakota saying)
Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards,
Michael Müller
Am 10.11.2012 14:00, schrieb Francesco Chicchiriccò:
Hi all,
I think e-mails like the one below are not helpful at all.
First of all, even though most of critical aspects of our current
situation are reported, some things are barely wrong:
down the same page you find the next most recent news is a year and a
half old
Open your favorite browser at http://cocoon.apache.org/ and read that
latest two news are dated July 2nd and March 3rd 2012
When people ask about C2.x (and the latest released version is
2.2) nobody wants to talk about it (except others desperate for
information about some aspect of C2);
Just browse http://cocoon.markmail.org and judge by yourself whether
this is true or not.
There are no books on anything later than 2.1, which is about a
decade old.
Just point again your favorite browser to
http://www.apache.org/dist/cocoon/ and you will see that Cocoon 2.1.11
was released on Jan 14th 2008.
Perhaps 80% of the official documentation is either TBW or
skeletal, and the only people who know the inside of Cocoon well
enough to complete it keep asking others to do that.
This is absolutely false for C2.X and only partially true for C3.
Beware, I am not stating that the Cocoon status is healthy, new
releases
with bugfixes and new features are regularly made available and
documentation is accurate and complete.
I am only trying to look at the Cocoon project for what it is
*today*: a
project with:
* very few active committers
* almost no occasional contributors
* still a lot of interested people: most because they are running an
ancient Cocoon version, few because they've heard of Cocoon only
recently
In my opinion, a dead project is a project in which no one is
interested, and Cocoon is not (yet?) that far.
Remembering that Cocoon - like as any other project at ASF - is
exclusively made up by volunteer contribution, I'd rather start a
[DISCUSS] thread to see what needs to be done and who is available to
help instead of such acid and unproductive e-mails.
WDYT?
Regards.
On 08/11/2012 15:10, Mark H. Wood wrote:
I'm not surprised at all. Looking 3cm. down the same page you find
the next most recent news is a year and a half old. When people ask
about C2.x (and the latest released version is 2.2) nobody wants to
talk about it (except others desperate for information about some
aspect of C2); one is told to use C3. C3 has been alpha for perhaps
two years -- there is as yet no beta, let alone a release. There are
no books on anything later than 2.1, which is about a decade old.
Perhaps 80% of the official documentation is either TBW or skeletal,
and the only people who know the inside of Cocoon well enough to
complete it keep asking others to do that. Bugs with patches
attached
languish for years. Seemingly everyone using Cocoon is running a
unique local version with scads of patches that are passed around
like
ancient lore.
Why would anyone think Cocoon is dead?
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