I get immutable releases. I'm not trying to redefine what 1.0.0 is with 
different source code. In fact quite the opposite. I want it to *prevent me 
from doing do*. The maven bnd plugin doesn't

It's the difference between:
  "I'm trying to build something that the user wants to call 1.0.0. As part of 
that process I'll check whether it conflicts with what is currently 1.0.0, and 
if it does I'll fail, not actually creating the artefact at all, and suggest 
that they change the version numbers appropriately."
And
  "I'm building something that the user wants to call 1.0.0. Once I've done 
that, I'll take that and compare it with another version to see whether the 
difference in version numbers, what the user has done to change the version 
numbers between those two versions, is consistent with any changes in the 
source code, and if not complain. The build artefact however will now exist". 

I want the former. The maven bnd plugin appears to implement the latter. As far 
as I understand, bndtools implements the former, I *can* implement the former 
with bnd. It doesn't appear possible to implement the former with maven due to 
the way it works.



-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Bartlett [mailto:njbartl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 22 June 2017 18:52
To: users@felix.apache.org
Subject: Re: API baselining with maven-bundle-plugin

Are you sure that you’re actually *releasing* every day? Or do you only mean 
sending out snapshots?

I agree with Justin that releases should be immutable, and that is what bnd and 
Bndtools have always tried to achieve. However bnd is not a complete end-to-end 
build system like Maven or Gradle, and Bndtools is only an IDE, so we don’t get 
a lot of say in the larger process. You should work within the conventions of 
whatever build tool you use.

The process encouraged by bnd is very close to the Maven one. Once a release is 
made, you must not change it. If you change a package after a release, then you 
move up to a new version number for that package. You can then build and 
publish as many snapshot of that new version number as you like, usually with a 
timestamp in the qualifier segment of the version. Once you release, that 
version is consumed and you go back to the beginning of this paragraph.

Neil


> On 22 Jun 2017, at 18:12, Tom Quarendon <tom.quaren...@worldprogramming.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> The cadence is important I that if I want to "release" off the back of each 
> build, I don't want to have to manually make a code modification every day, 
> nor do I want to have the build process modify the source code, that just 
> doesn't seem right.
> 
> I'm probably at odds with standard practice.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin Edelson [mailto:jus...@justinedelson.com]
> Sent: 22 June 2017 17:40
> To: users@felix.apache.org
> Subject: Re: API baselining with maven-bundle-plugin
> 
> The cadence of releases is irrelevant. But each release must have a distinct 
> (bundle) version number. Otherwise, the version loses any meaning since two 
> copies of "version 1.0.0" are not necessarily the same.
> 
> If you only want to change the bundle version when you start changing 
> the project, that's certainly a choice you can make. I find (and many 
> others do
> too) it easier to do this automatically at the time of release (i.e. set the 
> master/trunk version to lastversion+1-SNAPSHOT) so that it doesn't get 
> forgotten.
> 
> I can't speak to how bndtools work. I assume it must do some kind of 
> automatic bundle version management since it would be inappropriate to have 
> mutable releases.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 11:58 AM Tom Quarendon < 
> tom.quaren...@worldprogramming.com> wrote:
> 
>> I perhaps have a different concept of how things work. But I'm not 
>> very familiar with how maven works.
>> 
>> Fundamentally, if I haven't changed any code, why have any of the 
>> version numbers changed? I'm perhaps viewing things from a continuous 
>> deployment perspective rather than a "release once a year" perspective.
>> 
>> As far as I can tell with bndtools, version numbers are changed as, 
>> and only as necessary.
>> I check out the source code, and then as I change code, it prompts me 
>> to change package and bundle versions appropriately.
>> Hence after my edits, the package and version numbers of things I 
>> haven't changed are the same as they were, which seems right to me.
>> Things that I've changed have changed version package and bundle version 
>> numbers.
>> If I then do a "mvn deploy" (well, "gradle release") on the result, 
>> then OK, the unchanged bundles will be re-released to the repository 
>> (or maybe not, maybe maven/gradle doesn't replace a bundle with one 
>> with the same version, don't know), but the contents are the same 
>> (from a source perspective anyhow), so that doesn't matter.
>> 
>> As I say, I don't have much experience of using maven etc, I was 
>> confused that it worked in an apparently different way to bndtools, 
>> which is based on the same thing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Justin Edelson [mailto:jus...@justinedelson.com]
>> Sent: 22 June 2017 15:15
>> To: users@felix.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: API baselining with maven-bundle-plugin
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I think you might be mixing up the bundle version (what I think you 
>> are referring to as the "project version") with the package versions.
>> baseline is larger concerned with the latter, and only uses the 
>> former to find the comparison version.
>> 
>> Released versions should always be considered immutable, so you 
>> should
>> *always* change the project version immediately after a release. If 
>> you use the maven-release-plugin, this is automatically done, but 
>> otherwise you would need to do this manually.
>> 
>> Here's the way it is supposed to work:
>> 
>> * You have a bundle with version 1.0.0 and package com.myco.foo at 
>> version 1.0.0. This bundle is deployed in some repository.
>> * The current version of the bundle is now 1.0.1.SNAPSHOT (or 
>> 1.0.1-SNAPSHOT in Maven terms).
>> * You make some change to one of the classes/interfaces in com.myco.foo.
>> * Then you run the baseline plugin. Baseline compares the current 
>> state against the last release (so 1.0.1.SNAPSHOT vs. 1.0.0) and 
>> checks each exported package. It sees that there has been some change 
>> in com.myco.foo which requires that the package version change. It 
>> then alerts you to this change and recommends a new package version 
>> number. Alternatively, if you changed the exported package version, 
>> baseline will still tell you that there was a change made but that 
>> you have already correctly changed the package version number.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Justin
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 10:02 AM Tom Quarendon < 
>> tom.quaren...@worldprogramming.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm trying to set up api baselining using the maven-bundle-plugin.
>>> 
>>> I think I have it set up. I have messages coming out that say it's 
>>> doing stuff. So that's good.
>>> 
>>> Forgive my confusion though, but I don't understand how it is 
>>> supposed to work.
>>> I have published a 1.0.0 version of my bundle to the repository.
>>> I then make an incompatible change to the API, I get:
>>>  Unable to find a previous version of the project in the repository
>>> 
>>> If I manually change the version number in my pom to 1.0.1, I then 
>>> get errors about my API having changed and it requiring a change in 
>>> version number.
>>> 
>>> So I don't understand. I only get a baseline check once I've 
>>> remembered to change the version number? Surely the point is to tell 
>>> me that I *need* to change the version number? That's certainly the 
>>> support you get in bndtools (being also based on bnd, same as the 
>>> maven
>> plugin).
>>> 
>>> Have I set it up correctly? Or is this how it's supposed to work?
>>> In the configuration, it looks like the setting comparisonVersion is 
>>> initialised to (,${project.version}) by default, presumably meaning 
>>> "up to and not including ${project.version}".
>>> Changing that to be (,${project.version}] makes it do a comparison, 
>>> but produces no errors, presumably because it's comparing the bundle 
>>> against itself. What I want it to do is compare against the current 
>>> latest in the release repository.
>>> 
>>> So I'm confused. How do I make it tell me that I need to change my 
>>> project version, without first changing my project version?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>> 
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