I think there are many other ways to get people working on Apàche FLEX than
giving donations to Apache expecting money goes where it was intended to
go. I mean. As I see it, collaborating at Apache is a matter of wish,
people wishes to help and contributes... Well, what is the problem on
founding a parallel fundation that hire the programmers and make them
collaborate and contribute to Apache Flex as committers...

There are always many ways to get the same goal folks...

2015-02-26 18:44 GMT-03:00 Alex Harui <[email protected]>:

> Couple of notes on this:
>
> The Apache Software Foundation (ASF) does not currently take “directed
> donations”.  That means that if you send in a check to the ASF, you can’t
> dictate that it goes only to Flex, it only goes to the general fund and is
> shared by all projects.  There are many ongoing discussions to change
> that, but even then, there are likely to be restrictions on using the
> funds to pay developers.  Directed funds are likely to go for servers,
> events, marketing, but not development.  There is a strong ASF sentiment
> towards never having the ASF pay any developer directly.  I’m not sure of
> the reason, but it may just be that then the unpaid volunteers will start
> asking to be paid to contribute.
>
> So, the proposed solutions are for folks to come up with their own ways to
> pool money including crowd funding sites.  But the model that the ASF
> commonly promotes is this:  Companies that want to support development of
> a project should simply hire developers to work on that project.  No need
> to try to form a consortium or foundation and deal with tracking the money
> and taxes.  Just hire someone to do the work or to do your work so you can
> contribute.  If you have extra money to donate to the ASF, spend that
> money on hiring a Flex developer, even part-time.  I can guarantee you
> that if Adobe stops paying me to work on Flex, I’ll be trying to stitch
> together a living by working on Flex by trying to get companies to pay me
> to work on Flex.
>
>
> Live Support is a tricky topic.  A couple of big companies I’ve talked to
> want another big company to pick up support for Flex.  Not sure who a
> candidate would be, but in the ASF, live support is a community thing.
> There are folks watching the mailing list essentially 24/7 already.  But
> that’s not good enough for these big companies.  Adobe has only promised 5
> years of support for Flex.  Not sure when the deadline is up, or if Adobe
> will immediately stop at the 5 year point, but as we near the 5 year
> point, it will be interesting to see which big companies still want Flex
> support and if we can convince some other big company to pick up the ball
> if Adobe no longer wants it.
>
> -Alex
>
> On 2/25/15, 11:46 PM, "Carlos Velasco" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >The last threads about whether it would be good or not to create a virtual
> >machine which moves FLEX from using the Adobe Flash Player or not, have
> >made me spent many time thinking about the whole thing.
> >
> >I think there are four points where the product need hard investment:
> >
> >1. The said virtual machine.
> >2. A good, maintained and free (without cost) IDE for developers to work
> >with FLEX.
> >3. FLEX evangelism and live support.
> >4. A bigger FLEX SDK full time commiters base.
> >
> >The thing is... those projects are heavy enough to fail if they are to be
> >developed in a pure community driven context, as they would require full
> >time dedicated people to get them live and working (in parallel to
> >community free efforts).
> >
> >On the other hand, moving to a company to handle them delivers the
> >community to the same situation that is suffering right now with Adobe
> >placed at the base of the technology development.
> >
> >In fact, most people here work or owns companies which make profit or at
> >least made profit by creating FLEX solutions, and I think we all here
> >believe that it shoud be that way for the next years to come.
> >
> >The idea is:
> >
> >We could create an "I support FLEX" manifest that those companies and
> >developers would sign to voluntarily commit to making regular donations to
> >a foundation created to support and make real and maintaining alive those
> >projects.
> >
> >The foundation goals would be: hiring programmers, analysts, product
> >managers and so to maintain the 3 projects, which obviously will remain
> >being open source Apache projects and mainly community driven. The scope
> >here is not to become owners of the technology, but ensure that there is
> >full time people working everyday on getting FLEX fit, hitting and
> >running.
> >
> >Here in Paraguay we have very good portfolio of developers and a very low
> >development hour costs rate, so it would be the right place to create such
> >a foundation.
> >
> >Of course where comes and goes such received money, what the people is
> >working on, is to be mandatory transparent as the foundation could only go
> >on and work if the contributors are happy investing on it.
> >
> >Do you find interesting such an idea? Do you people think it would collect
> >enough money to get those 4 development teams running and improving the
> >technology?
> >
> >As I see it, it would be as if every company or developer working with
> >flex
> >and selling flex based solutions shared a flex development team which by
> >the way would work for and only for them that are paying it.
> >
> >Should we work in developing the idea?
>
>

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