Hi Tom and all:
Thanks for the explanation about Software Center, Synaptic and Apt-get
command.
Regards,
Jorge Rodríguez
El dom, 11-10-2015 a las 15:40 +0100, Tom Davies escribió:
> Hi :)
> +1
> Although we often disagree with each other and have heated arguments at
> times i have a lot of respect for the technical support Andreas gives and
> also for his links to or suggestions of other places that give good
> support.
>
> He is a classic example of someone who works in both communities. Not all
> have the same attitude (of course) but his way has a lot of energy about
> it, which is not always easy to be comfortable with, but his way does seem
> to be an effective driving force at times.
>
>
> I really like Zen-Wiz's script that does the same job as Andreas'
> command-line. Instead of having to type in the same commands each time you
> would just double-click on the script file. If the script is not already
> in the "Extensions" library;
> https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/templates-and-extensions/
> then i hope he is is generous enough to add it in. It is not really an
> Extension as such but having a 3rd "App Store" type of place might be
> tricky to arrange.
>
> I keep meaning to add his script to the wiki-page;
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install/Linux
> if that hasn't been done already and i hope it gets added to the relevant
> page on the official website too - preferably as both a downloadable file
> and as just plain text on the page itself.
>
> I'm fairly sure ZenWiz would be happy with that but it would be nice to
> know that we can do that and use the Creative Commons CC-by-SA or similar
> license (such as LGPL or MPL) so that people can modify and re-release in
> other places as well as just using it.
>
>
>
>
> Wrt the 3 "package managers" you named; The Software Centre, Synaptic and
> "apt-get" - Yes they are 3 ways of doing the same thing. Each has it's own
> advantages. The 2 Gui ways are easier for point&click users. The Software
> Centre is good for installing entire programs that consist of many parts;
> such as LibreOffice, MegaGlest, Wesnoth and so on. Synaptic and "apt-get"
> are better for adding individual add-ons, extra libraries for extra
> functionality, codecs, specific fonts, command-line tools. Apt-get has
> commands to clean and remove temp files created when downloading and
> installing things.
>
> Synaptic and "The Software Centre" actually use "apt-get" to do a lot of
> their work but they 'just' put a prettier face on it to make it easier for
> point&click users. Ok, they often do a lot more than that but it's the
> easiest way of thinking about it.
>
> So i might use The Software Centre to install LibreOffice, a camera and
> Gimp - then turn to Synaptic to add extra features and fonts - and then use
> "apt-get" to clear all the cruft away. I could probably do the whole job
> from any 1 of them but this way i have used each package-manager for what
> it does best.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> On 11 October 2015 at 14:11, Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Setting aside the discussion that followed, I would like to thank Andreas
> > for his explanation of installing Debian packages from the command line.
> > I've been using Ubuntu for about a year now, and I've learned how to use
> > the Software Center and Synaptic as well as the "sudo apt-get..." commands,
> > which I sense are just three different ways of doing the same thing. Beyond
> > that, however, I've never learned how to install a Debian package without
> > using the PPAs.
> >
> > Thank you Andreas for this explanation. You've expanded my knowledge of
> > Linux. And after upgrading my Windows partition from 7 to 10 with less than
> > satisfactory results, my reliance upon Linux is only that much greater.
> >
> > Virgil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/09/2015 05:58 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
> >
> >> And this is the non-PPA way of installing an archive of Debian packages
> >> downloaded from libreoffice.org as described and supported on all
> >> OpenOffice support forums since the days of OpenOffice2:
> >>
> >>> cd ~/Downloads
> >>>
> >>
> >> If you downloaded the md5 checksum file as well, you can check the
> >> integrity of your downloaded archive:
> >>
> >> md5sum --check <text file with check sums>
> >>>
> >> Extract the downloaded archive:
> >>
> >> tar -xvzf downloaded_package.tar.gz
> >>>
> >> or use your graphical file manager to unpack the archive. I don't know
> >> any way to do the following with a graphical tool:
> >>
> >> go to the extracted directory of debian packages which depends on the
> >> langauge version. In case of en-US:
> >>
> >> cd en-US/DEBS
> >>>
> >> Install the packages as root:
> >>
> >> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
> >>>
> >>
> >> This installs/updates the whole suite to /opt and you can start the
> >> fully featured program by calling the executable file
> >> /opt/libreofficeX.Y/program/soffice
> >>
> >> For any "desktop integration" you can install an additional package go
> >> to subdir of en-US/DEBS:
> >>
> >> cd desktop-integration
> >>>
> >> and start a simulated installation
> >>
> >> sudo dpkg -i --simulate *.deb
> >>>
> >>
> >> This simulation _may_ fail due to a conflict with /usr/bin/soffice which
> >> is a symlink pointing to the executable and belonging to the
> >> installation package of some other ODF suite.
> >> If no such error is reported, re-run the command without the --simulate
> >> switch. In case of conflict, it is safe to overwrite this single symlink
> >> file /usr/bin/soffice:
> >>
> >> sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite *.deb
> >>>
> >>
> >> Now you have LibreOffice and its components in your Ubuntu dash and/or
> >> menues. ODF files will be opened by default with your new suite.
> >>
> >> As far as I know, "desktop integration" can be installed for one version
> >> of OpenOffice and LibreOffice in parallel. There were times when I had 5
> >> different versions of both suites in parallel but only one Open and one
> >> Libre Office can have the "desktop integration" and only one particular
> >> suite can own the /usr/bin/soffice symlink.
> >> You are free to modify this symlink as needed but your package managers
> >> is very picky about the ownership of every single system file outside
> >> your home directory. Every single file installed remotely via apt or
> >> locally via dpkg belongs to exactly one software package.
> >> As long as this symlink is the only conflict, I think it is perfectly OK
> >> to use the --force-overwrite switch.
> >>
> >> Any additional language and help packages can be installed in the same
> >> simple way:
> >> 0. run md5sum -check <text file> to check the integrity
> >> 1. extract .tar.gz with tar -xzvf ... or the graphical way
> >> 2. change to the extracted directory, subdir DEBS
> >> 3. sudo dpkg -i *deb
> >> They refuse to install if their version does not match with any
> >> installed office suite.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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