I will do all of that when I get a chance. Thanks.
MR On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 7:40 AM, Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi :) > +1 > Although we often disagree with each other and have heated arguments at > times i have a lot of respect for the technical support Andreas gives and > also for his links to or suggestions of other places that give good > support. > > He is a classic example of someone who works in both communities. Not all > have the same attitude (of course) but his way has a lot of energy about > it, which is not always easy to be comfortable with, but his way does seem > to be an effective driving force at times. > > > I really like Zen-Wiz's script that does the same job as Andreas' > command-line. Instead of having to type in the same commands each time you > would just double-click on the script file. If the script is not already > in the "Extensions" library; > https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/templates-and-extensions/ > then i hope he is is generous enough to add it in. It is not really an > Extension as such but having a 3rd "App Store" type of place might be > tricky to arrange. > > I keep meaning to add his script to the wiki-page; > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install/Linux > if that hasn't been done already and i hope it gets added to the relevant > page on the official website too - preferably as both a downloadable file > and as just plain text on the page itself. > > I'm fairly sure ZenWiz would be happy with that but it would be nice to > know that we can do that and use the Creative Commons CC-by-SA or similar > license (such as LGPL or MPL) so that people can modify and re-release in > other places as well as just using it. > > > > > Wrt the 3 "package managers" you named; The Software Centre, Synaptic and > "apt-get" - Yes they are 3 ways of doing the same thing. Each has it's own > advantages. The 2 Gui ways are easier for point&click users. The Software > Centre is good for installing entire programs that consist of many parts; > such as LibreOffice, MegaGlest, Wesnoth and so on. Synaptic and "apt-get" > are better for adding individual add-ons, extra libraries for extra > functionality, codecs, specific fonts, command-line tools. Apt-get has > commands to clean and remove temp files created when downloading and > installing things. > > Synaptic and "The Software Centre" actually use "apt-get" to do a lot of > their work but they 'just' put a prettier face on it to make it easier for > point&click users. Ok, they often do a lot more than that but it's the > easiest way of thinking about it. > > So i might use The Software Centre to install LibreOffice, a camera and > Gimp - then turn to Synaptic to add extra features and fonts - and then use > "apt-get" to clear all the cruft away. I could probably do the whole job > from any 1 of them but this way i have used each package-manager for what > it does best. > > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > > On 11 October 2015 at 14:11, Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Setting aside the discussion that followed, I would like to thank Andreas >> for his explanation of installing Debian packages from the command line. >> I've been using Ubuntu for about a year now, and I've learned how to use >> the Software Center and Synaptic as well as the "sudo apt-get..." commands, >> which I sense are just three different ways of doing the same thing. Beyond >> that, however, I've never learned how to install a Debian package without >> using the PPAs. >> >> Thank you Andreas for this explanation. You've expanded my knowledge of >> Linux. And after upgrading my Windows partition from 7 to 10 with less than >> satisfactory results, my reliance upon Linux is only that much greater. >> >> Virgil >> >> >> >> >> On 10/09/2015 05:58 AM, Andreas Säger wrote: >> >>> And this is the non-PPA way of installing an archive of Debian packages >>> downloaded from libreoffice.org as described and supported on all >>> OpenOffice support forums since the days of OpenOffice2: >>> >>>> cd ~/Downloads >>>> >>> >>> If you downloaded the md5 checksum file as well, you can check the >>> integrity of your downloaded archive: >>> >>> md5sum --check <text file with check sums> >>>> >>> Extract the downloaded archive: >>> >>> tar -xvzf downloaded_package.tar.gz >>>> >>> or use your graphical file manager to unpack the archive. I don't know >>> any way to do the following with a graphical tool: >>> >>> go to the extracted directory of debian packages which depends on the >>> langauge version. In case of en-US: >>> >>> cd en-US/DEBS >>>> >>> Install the packages as root: >>> >>> sudo dpkg -i *.deb >>>> >>> >>> This installs/updates the whole suite to /opt and you can start the >>> fully featured program by calling the executable file >>> /opt/libreofficeX.Y/program/soffice >>> >>> For any "desktop integration" you can install an additional package go >>> to subdir of en-US/DEBS: >>> >>> cd desktop-integration >>>> >>> and start a simulated installation >>> >>> sudo dpkg -i --simulate *.deb >>>> >>> >>> This simulation _may_ fail due to a conflict with /usr/bin/soffice which >>> is a symlink pointing to the executable and belonging to the >>> installation package of some other ODF suite. >>> If no such error is reported, re-run the command without the --simulate >>> switch. In case of conflict, it is safe to overwrite this single symlink >>> file /usr/bin/soffice: >>> >>> sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite *.deb >>>> >>> >>> Now you have LibreOffice and its components in your Ubuntu dash and/or >>> menues. ODF files will be opened by default with your new suite. >>> >>> As far as I know, "desktop integration" can be installed for one version >>> of OpenOffice and LibreOffice in parallel. There were times when I had 5 >>> different versions of both suites in parallel but only one Open and one >>> Libre Office can have the "desktop integration" and only one particular >>> suite can own the /usr/bin/soffice symlink. >>> You are free to modify this symlink as needed but your package managers >>> is very picky about the ownership of every single system file outside >>> your home directory. Every single file installed remotely via apt or >>> locally via dpkg belongs to exactly one software package. >>> As long as this symlink is the only conflict, I think it is perfectly OK >>> to use the --force-overwrite switch. >>> >>> Any additional language and help packages can be installed in the same >>> simple way: >>> 0. run md5sum -check <text file> to check the integrity >>> 1. extract .tar.gz with tar -xzvf ... or the graphical way >>> 2. change to the extracted directory, subdir DEBS >>> 3. sudo dpkg -i *deb >>> They refuse to install if their version does not match with any >>> installed office suite. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
