Hi :) You are welcome :) I'm chuffed that i knew something you didn't already know. You often seem to be ahead of me with most things :) Not by your behaviour. You don't "act superior". You just say things that i didn't know and so i learn from you. So, i was glad to be able to help :) Thanks and regards from Tom :)
On 11 October 2015 at 23:29, jorge <jrodrigue...@cpcecr.com> wrote: > >> Hi Tom and all: >> >> Thanks for the explanation about Software Center, Synaptic and >> Apt-get >> command. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jorge Rodríguez >> >> >> El dom, 11-10-2015 a las 15:40 +0100, Tom Davies escribió: >> > Hi :) >> > +1 >> > Although we often disagree with each other and have heated arguments at >> > times i have a lot of respect for the technical support Andreas gives >> and >> > also for his links to or suggestions of other places that give good >> > support. >> > >> > He is a classic example of someone who works in both communities. Not >> all >> > have the same attitude (of course) but his way has a lot of energy about >> > it, which is not always easy to be comfortable with, but his way does >> seem >> > to be an effective driving force at times. >> > >> > >> > I really like Zen-Wiz's script that does the same job as Andreas' >> > command-line. Instead of having to type in the same commands each time >> you >> > would just double-click on the script file. If the script is not >> already >> > in the "Extensions" library; >> > https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/templates-and-extensions/ >> > then i hope he is is generous enough to add it in. It is not really an >> > Extension as such but having a 3rd "App Store" type of place might be >> > tricky to arrange. >> > >> > I keep meaning to add his script to the wiki-page; >> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install/Linux >> > if that hasn't been done already and i hope it gets added to the >> relevant >> > page on the official website too - preferably as both a downloadable >> file >> > and as just plain text on the page itself. >> > >> > I'm fairly sure ZenWiz would be happy with that but it would be nice to >> > know that we can do that and use the Creative Commons CC-by-SA or >> similar >> > license (such as LGPL or MPL) so that people can modify and re-release >> in >> > other places as well as just using it. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Wrt the 3 "package managers" you named; The Software Centre, Synaptic >> and >> > "apt-get" - Yes they are 3 ways of doing the same thing. Each has it's >> own >> > advantages. The 2 Gui ways are easier for point&click users. The >> Software >> > Centre is good for installing entire programs that consist of many >> parts; >> > such as LibreOffice, MegaGlest, Wesnoth and so on. Synaptic and >> "apt-get" >> > are better for adding individual add-ons, extra libraries for extra >> > functionality, codecs, specific fonts, command-line tools. Apt-get has >> > commands to clean and remove temp files created when downloading and >> > installing things. >> > >> > Synaptic and "The Software Centre" actually use "apt-get" to do a lot of >> > their work but they 'just' put a prettier face on it to make it easier >> for >> > point&click users. Ok, they often do a lot more than that but it's the >> > easiest way of thinking about it. >> > >> > So i might use The Software Centre to install LibreOffice, a camera and >> > Gimp - then turn to Synaptic to add extra features and fonts - and then >> use >> > "apt-get" to clear all the cruft away. I could probably do the whole >> job >> > from any 1 of them but this way i have used each package-manager for >> what >> > it does best. >> > >> > Regards from >> > Tom :) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 11 October 2015 at 14:11, Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > > Setting aside the discussion that followed, I would like to thank >> Andreas >> > > for his explanation of installing Debian packages from the command >> line. >> > > I've been using Ubuntu for about a year now, and I've learned how to >> use >> > > the Software Center and Synaptic as well as the "sudo apt-get..." >> commands, >> > > which I sense are just three different ways of doing the same thing. >> Beyond >> > > that, however, I've never learned how to install a Debian package >> without >> > > using the PPAs. >> > > >> > > Thank you Andreas for this explanation. You've expanded my knowledge >> of >> > > Linux. And after upgrading my Windows partition from 7 to 10 with >> less than >> > > satisfactory results, my reliance upon Linux is only that much >> greater. >> > > >> > > Virgil >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 10/09/2015 05:58 AM, Andreas Säger wrote: >> > > >> > >> And this is the non-PPA way of installing an archive of Debian >> packages >> > >> downloaded from libreoffice.org as described and supported on all >> > >> OpenOffice support forums since the days of OpenOffice2: >> > >> >> > >>> cd ~/Downloads >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> If you downloaded the md5 checksum file as well, you can check the >> > >> integrity of your downloaded archive: >> > >> >> > >> md5sum --check <text file with check sums> >> > >>> >> > >> Extract the downloaded archive: >> > >> >> > >> tar -xvzf downloaded_package.tar.gz >> > >>> >> > >> or use your graphical file manager to unpack the archive. I don't >> know >> > >> any way to do the following with a graphical tool: >> > >> >> > >> go to the extracted directory of debian packages which depends on the >> > >> langauge version. In case of en-US: >> > >> >> > >> cd en-US/DEBS >> > >>> >> > >> Install the packages as root: >> > >> >> > >> sudo dpkg -i *.deb >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> This installs/updates the whole suite to /opt and you can start the >> > >> fully featured program by calling the executable file >> > >> /opt/libreofficeX.Y/program/soffice >> > >> >> > >> For any "desktop integration" you can install an additional package >> go >> > >> to subdir of en-US/DEBS: >> > >> >> > >> cd desktop-integration >> > >>> >> > >> and start a simulated installation >> > >> >> > >> sudo dpkg -i --simulate *.deb >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> This simulation _may_ fail due to a conflict with /usr/bin/soffice >> which >> > >> is a symlink pointing to the executable and belonging to the >> > >> installation package of some other ODF suite. >> > >> If no such error is reported, re-run the command without the >> --simulate >> > >> switch. In case of conflict, it is safe to overwrite this single >> symlink >> > >> file /usr/bin/soffice: >> > >> >> > >> sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite *.deb >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> Now you have LibreOffice and its components in your Ubuntu dash >> and/or >> > >> menues. ODF files will be opened by default with your new suite. >> > >> >> > >> As far as I know, "desktop integration" can be installed for one >> version >> > >> of OpenOffice and LibreOffice in parallel. There were times when I >> had 5 >> > >> different versions of both suites in parallel but only one Open and >> one >> > >> Libre Office can have the "desktop integration" and only one >> particular >> > >> suite can own the /usr/bin/soffice symlink. >> > >> You are free to modify this symlink as needed but your package >> managers >> > >> is very picky about the ownership of every single system file outside >> > >> your home directory. Every single file installed remotely via apt or >> > >> locally via dpkg belongs to exactly one software package. >> > >> As long as this symlink is the only conflict, I think it is >> perfectly OK >> > >> to use the --force-overwrite switch. >> > >> >> > >> Any additional language and help packages can be installed in the >> same >> > >> simple way: >> > >> 0. run md5sum -check <text file> to check the integrity >> > >> 1. extract .tar.gz with tar -xzvf ... or the graphical way >> > >> 2. change to the extracted directory, subdir DEBS >> > >> 3. sudo dpkg -i *deb >> > >> They refuse to install if their version does not match with any >> > >> installed office suite. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> > > Problems? >> > > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> > > Posting guidelines + more: >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> > > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >> > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> > > deleted >> > > >> > >> >> -- >> Atentamente, >> >> Jorge Rodríguez >> >> > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
