Baran, You wrote: *There is really a lot of work to do making your idea transparent for a normal user as i, would i say...*
Can you be more specific please? Details appreciated. BTW, we made some changes to the user interface over the weekend. -- Adrian Adrian Walker Reengineering LLC San Jose, CA, USA 860 830 2085 www.executable-english.com On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:28 AM, <baran...@gmail.com> wrote: > Adrian, > > *Is it a possible scenario to think a Semantic Web environment controlled >> only by rules?* >> Yes. Executable English is rules-only on the surface. Internally, it >> automatically generates and runs networked SQL. >> >> Here's an example: >> www.executable-english.com/Oil_Industry_Supply_Chain_by_Kowa >> lski_and_Walker.pdf >> > > I think, your 'Executable English' devolopement idea doesn't involve a > 'Semantic Web environment', but ofcourse with rules it can support running > 'a networked SQL'. > > In www.executable-english.com/Oil_Industry_Supply_Chain_by_Kowa > lski_and_Walker.pdf i cannot see, when it was published??? This a bit > important for investing time reading it. I see in this document again the > link > > http://www.executable-english.com > > I think, its mean content is not yet in a state of publishing for the > world as i already wrote in my previous posting. There is really a lot of > work todo making your idea transparent for a normal user as i, would i > say... > > baran > > ************ > > > >> Adrian Walker >> Reengineering LLC >> San Jose, CA, USA >> 860 830 2085 >> www.executable-english.com >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 6:41 AM, <baran...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello, >>> >>> I still need some explanation. What is the advantage of using ontology in >>> >>>> our semantic web application. Its just that we can share it? >>>> >>>> Second, what is the advantage of Jena rules? A task completed with an >>>> RDF >>>> API and same task with Jena rules, why people prefer rules? >>>> >>>> >>> i think, kumar's both questions together make sense. Ontologies + Rules >>> make the whole thing really very complex. >>> >>> My question: Is it a possible scenario to think a Semantic Web >>> environment >>> controlled only by rules? >>> >>> thanks, baran >>> >>> ************** >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 11:28 AM, <baran...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Adrian, i think this is a rather old and not yet fully developed >>>>> application with a UI needing a bit freshing up for smoothly working, >>>>> databases are (I tried with commodities1/2) also old and rather small. >>>>> Is >>>>> gold no commodity? if i put a question with an agent the effect is only >>>>> reordering the list of general questions. My suggestion is: Let at >>>>> first >>>>> as >>>>> input for an agent not only questions but also the option of a single >>>>> item >>>>> and then give a list of possible questions the agent can answer exactly >>>>> for >>>>> this item. May be i couldn't get everything so how it is meant... >>>>> >>>>> But the idea as whole has some original aspects, that was really what i >>>>> meant: Trying away from heavy classical view of SPARQL databases >>>>> connected >>>>> to certain ontologies with a lot of small surprising error effects in >>>>> developement, so that people ask: Why dont you make a simple SQL >>>>> database, >>>>> you talk then about Semantic Web, Linked Data basing on triples and >>>>> URI's >>>>> and of course about public endpoints. Then comes the question: 'public' >>>>> endpoints with this performance where SPARQL only an adapted SQL for >>>>> triples is? etc... >>>>> >>>>> I think you could next fresh up your concept if you have time for it, >>>>> the >>>>> other question is how it would react under heavy usage... This is my >>>>> comment after 20 minutes, sorry that i had not much more time... >>>>> >>>>> ********** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 07:05:54 +0100, Adrian Walker < >>>>> adriandwal...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Baran, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> You wrote: >>>>>> *This means downsizing the whole thing to a simplified kernel for a >>>>>> special >>>>>> application field.* >>>>>> Here's a simplified kernel that arguably covers wider version of >>>>>> application semantics than the usual "semantic web" tools. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's a summary slide: >>>>>> >>>>>> www.executable-english.com/internet_business_logic_in_a_nuts >>>>>> hell.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> The system that supports this is live, online at >>>>>> www.executable-english.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Shared use is free, and there are no advertisements. Nothing to >>>>>> download, >>>>>> just point a browser to the site. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for comments, -- Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> Adrian Walker >>>>>> Reengineering LLC >>>>>> San Jose, CA, USA >>>>>> 860 830 2085 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 4:33 AM, <baran...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 18:02:46 +0100, David Jordan < >>>>>>> jdavidjorda...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree that have some discussion about this is very useful. Many of >>>>>>> us >>>>>>> >>>>>>> have tried to evangelize semantic web technologies in our >>>>>>> organizations >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and > have struggled and failed because we cannot provide sufficient >>>>>>>> justification for using the technology. Hearing the specific value >>>>>>>> provided that can convince the skeptics is extremely valuable, much >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> valuable >>>>>>>> than simple support questions about a particular API interface. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yes, i thing similar things, also like others responding to this >>>>>>> thread >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> an open minded way... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But i also want to describe something for the future: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I imagine, a cheekily developer constructs a small, easily >>>>>>> understandable >>>>>>> and effectively implementable 'subset' of the whole thing 'Semantic >>>>>>> Web' >>>>>>> defining a new playing field or making great progress in usual apps >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This cold be the realisation of TBL cit. (about 20 years ago?): 'The >>>>>>> most >>>>>>> exciting things about Semantic Web is not what we can imagine to do >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> it, but we can't yet imagine it will do.' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First step is always a very simple and comprehensible idea.. This >>>>>>> means >>>>>>> downsizing the whole thing to a simplified kernel for a special >>>>>>> application >>>>>>> field... Better late than never... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is really what i instinctively think about this stuff after so >>>>>>> many >>>>>>> years. I know, such things are totally off topic for Jena team, but >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> posting is for 2 or 3 users who can be interested, if it is >>>>>>> allowed... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks, baran. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ************ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/02/17 12:22, kumar rohit wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, what are the benefits of semantic web technologies? I have used >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> semantic web technologies from one year but, in theory I am not >>>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> real advantages of semantic web. >>>>>>>>>> When we develop a system using traditional RDBMS and Java and same >>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>> we develop using Java/Jena Protege SPARQL etc, so what is the >>>>>>>>>> advantage >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> the latter application? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>> Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> -- >>> Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >>> >>> > > -- > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >