On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 11:25 PM Cameron Simpson <c...@cskk.id.au> wrote:

> I normally don't top post, but there nothing I can meaningfully trim
> from your excellent detailed description. So I'm leaving it below.
>
> To your traceroute, route tracing (IIRC) depends on setting a max hop
> count on the outbound packets. When the hop count is exceeded, you get
> back an ICMP error packet indicating that the count was exceeded from
> the router which decremented the counter to 0.
>
> So to trace a route you send a packet with a max hop count of 1, and get
> a packet back from your router, and that tells you the router IP. Then
> you send one with a max hop count of 2 and get an error packet back from
> the next router upstream, telling you its IP address. And so on.
>
> Plenty of network routers do not respond to pings and do not return
> these error packets - they just drop the packet on the floor. These just
> show up as gaps in the traceroute, because traceroute does not receive
> the ICMP response from the routers at that hop count.
>
> So what you see below is normal. Don't sweat it. Here's an example from
> where I'm sitting to a host on a TPG network:
>
>     traceroute to ************ (14.203.40.46), 64 hops max, 52 byte
> packets
>      1  cskk-3g (10.0.0.138)  2.220 ms  1.824 ms  1.716 ms
>      2  * * *
>      3  10.4.37.50 (10.4.37.50)  31.144 ms  26.018 ms  55.897 ms
>      4  10.5.86.65 (10.5.86.65)  33.860 ms  34.792 ms  36.855 ms
>      5  10.5.86.72 (10.5.86.72)  49.968 ms  41.517 ms  30.999 ms
>      6  203.50.63.96 (203.50.63.96)  35.888 ms  34.900 ms  26.032 ms
>      7  bundle-ether26.chw-core10.sydney.telstra.net (203.50.61.96)
> 27.825
>     ms  31.547 ms  31.129 ms
>      8  bundle-ether1.chw-edge903.sydney.telstra.net (203.50.11.177)
> 28.825
>     ms  32.709 ms  35.956 ms
>      9  aap3461251.lnk.telstra.net (110.145.180.218)  30.886 ms  25.857
> ms
>     29.599 ms
>     10  syd-sot-ken-wgw1-be-30.tpgi.com.au (203.219.107.193)  29.719 ms
>     28.821 ms  28.611 ms
>     11  203-221-3-109.tpgi.com.au (203.221.3.109)  33.221 ms  31.921 ms
>         203-221-3-45.tpgi.com.au (203.221.3.45)  40.022 ms
>     12  * * *
>     13  * * *
>     14  * * *
>     15  * * *
>
> Cheers,
> Cameron Simpson <c...@cskk.id.au>
>
> On 25Mar2022 19:29, Jack Craig <jack.craig.ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >i have a networking mystery ; i hope someone might give me a clue.
> >
> >i am working to restore a web server to internet access that is failing
> >after att update
> >the att older modem (pace 5238ac) with arris BGW210-700.
> >
> >i have a static ip from att in the range 108.220.213.0/255.255.255.248,
> >108.220.213.121 is the external ip for the server.
> >
> >the bgw210-700 is the primary router/modem and is connected to a 3rd party
> >router, netgear nighthawk,
> >
> >the internal 10.0.0.0/  connects to the netgear nighthawk
> >
> >ATT's broadband configuration is
> >
> > Blackhole-ATT (wireless name)
> >
> >   Broadband connection source      DSL
> >   Broadband connection             up
> >   Broadband network type           lightspeed
> >   Broadband ipv4 address           108.90.204.76
> >   Broadband gateway address        108.90.204.1
> >
> >outbound packets from the server (WS), are routed from the 10.0.0.1
> >nighthawk to the ATT router to the internet.
> >
> >the 108.90.204.0 network routing from the att router to the att's gateway.
> >.76 is the router, .1 is the GW.
> >
> >sample route, ...
> >
> >10.0.0.101            ws.linuxlighthouse.com (internal IP) 2 packets
> >transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1033ms
> >10.0.0.1                           Blackhole-NH                         2
> >packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1018ms
> >192.168.1.254                 Blackhole-ATT                        2
> >packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
> >108.90.204.76             att subnet (local router)            2 packets
> >transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1002ms
> >108.90.204.1            att subnet (remote GW)               2 packets
> >transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
> >108.220.213.121   ws.linuxlighthouse.com (public IP) 2 packets
> transmitted,
> >2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
> >108.220.213.126   linuxlighthouse (public GW)          2 packets
> >transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
> >
> >now the  mystery. where 108.220.213.121 is a publicly visible ip for the
> >server, a remote traceroute is wonky!!
> >
> >consider the below traceroute, it reports hops up to 108.90.204.76,
> >stopping there instead of doing one more hop
> >
> >
> >  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  Linksys35675 [192.168.1.1]
> >  2     9 ms     8 ms    17 ms  142-254-236-209.inf.spectrum.com
> >[142.254.236.209]
> >  3    12 ms    10 ms    11 ms  lag-63.tjngcaac01h.netops.charter.com
> >[24.30.172.49]
> >  4    14 ms    13 ms    13 ms  lag-29.lsaicaev01r.netops.charter.com
> >[72.129.18.240]
> >  5    12 ms    14 ms    11 ms  lag-26.lsancarc01r.netops.charter.com
> >[72.129.17.0]
> >  6    19 ms    13 ms    14 ms
> lag-16.lsancarc0yw-bcr00.netops.charter.com
> >[66.109.6.102]
> >  7    25 ms    37 ms    42 ms  lag-3.pr2.lax10.netops.charter.com
> >[107.14.19.41]
> >  8    17 ms    17 ms    17 ms  192.205.32.253
> >  9    22 ms    21 ms    21 ms  cr1.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.128.102]
> > 10    24 ms    25 ms    25 ms  12.122.158.41
> > 11     *        *        *     Request timed out.
> > 12     *        *        *     Request timed out.
> > 13    23 ms    21 ms    23 ms  99.134.39.15
> > 14    25 ms    24 ms    26 ms  99.161.44.79
> > 15    44 ms    43 ms    43 ms
> >108-90-204-76.lightspeed.mtryca.sbcglobal.net [108.90.204.76]
> > 16     *        *        *     Request timed out.
> > 17     *        *        *     Request timed out.
> > 18     *        *        *     Request timed out.
> > 19
> >
> >
> >could anyone shed some light on this mystery??
> >
> >tia,jackc...
>

ok, thx!!
its  verifies the direction i am headed...

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