To me, the answer is yes,yes, yes but then I don't see Maven as a *programming* language.
To me I can quickly see what we are trying to do and what it needs to do it. In a world where Source + Tools = Product (where tools = tools + libraries) I see documentation about the tools. ________________________________ Curt Yanko | Continuous Integration Services | UnitedHealth Group IT Making IT Happen, one build at a time -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth McDonald [mailto:kenneth.m.mcdon...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:32 PM To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: maven is a swamp On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Wayne Fay wrote: > As much fun as all this commentary is, unless Ken comes back and posts > a reply, I feel like we're simply the victims of a drive-by > trolling... > > As such, I recommend letting this thread die, at least until Ken comes > back and adds something to the discussion... Ken??? > Hi Wayne, I'll post one more response to your well-thought-out question. Here is the pom file I'm currently using: and just so you don't have to scroll all the way to the bottom to see the comments, I'll put them here :-) - Is there _anything_ in the structure of this file which leads me to an "aha, I understand what the major and minor parts of the file are all about" moment? - Does the file get across what it means both concisely and clearly? - Is the syntax of the file for the convenience of the programmer, or the convenience of the tools that process it? - Could someone well-versed in programming, but without an understanding of maven, make at least some sense of this file? IMHO, the answers are no, no, for the convenience of the tools, and no. In terms of readability, this file (and all pom files I've seen) are simply disasters. In terms of semantics--OK, pretty good. In terms of usability, what a piece of garbage! So I guess my comment is, decent internals, horrible externals. <project xmlns="http://maven.apache.org/POM/4.0.0"; xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"; xsi:schemaLocation="http://maven.apache.org/POM/4.0.0 http://maven.apache.org/maven-v4_0_0.xsd";> <modelVersion>4.0.0</modelVersion> <groupId>ykken.rex</groupId> <artifactId>rex</artifactId> <version>0.5-SNAPSHOT</version> <inceptionYear>2010</inceptionYear> <developers> <developer> <id>kmcdonald</id> <name>Kenneth McDonald</name> <email>ykkenmcd [at] gmail com</email> </developer> </developers> <licenses> <license> <name>Lesser General Public License (LGPL)</name> <url>http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/lesser.txt</url> <distribution>repo</distribution> </license> </licenses> <properties> <scala.version>2.8.0</scala.version> </properties> <repositories> <repository> <id>scala-tools.org</id> <name>Scala-Tools Maven2 Repository</name> <url>http://scala-tools.org/repo-releases</url> </repository> </repositories> <pluginRepositories> <pluginRepository> <id>snapshots.scala-tools.org</id> <name>Scala-Tools Maven2 Repository</name> <url>http://scala-tools.org/repo-releases</url> </pluginRepository> </pluginRepositories> <dependencies> <dependency> <groupId>org.scala-lang</groupId> <artifactId>scala-compiler</artifactId> <version>${scala.version}</version> </dependency> <dependency> <groupId>org.scala-lang</groupId> <artifactId>scala-library</artifactId> <version>${scala.version}</version> </dependency> <dependency> <groupId>junit</groupId> <artifactId>junit</artifactId> <version>4.8.1</version> <scope>test</scope> </dependency> <dependency> <groupId>org.scalatest</groupId> <artifactId>scalatest</artifactId> <version>1.2</version> <scope>test</scope> </dependency> </dependencies> <build> <sourceDirectory>src/main/scala</sourceDirectory> <testSourceDirectory>src/test/scala</testSourceDirectory> <plugins> <plugin> <groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId> <artifactId>maven-dependency-plugin</artifactId> <version>2.1</version> </plugin> <plugin> <groupId>org.scala-tools</groupId> <artifactId>maven-scala-plugin</artifactId> <version>2.14.1</version> <executions> <execution> <goals> <goal>compile</goal> <goal>testCompile</goal> </goals> </execution> </executions> </plugin> <plugin> <groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId> <artifactId>maven-surefire-plugin</artifactId> <version>2.6</version> <configuration> <useManifestOnlyJar>false</useManifestOnlyJar> <includes> <include>**/*Test.*</include> <include>**/*Suite.*</include> </includes> </configuration> </plugin> </plugins> </build> <reporting> <plugins> <plugin> <groupId>org.scala-tools</groupId> <artifactId>maven-scala-plugin</artifactId> <version>2.14.1</version> </plugin> <plugin> <groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId> <artifactId>maven-dependency-plugin</artifactId> <version>2.1</version> </plugin> </plugins> </reporting> </project> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. 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