Hi Wendy,

"In central" is slightly opaque sometimes. In this case I was deceived
by the top level maven directory. I didn't know that this was a very old
location, and so I was getting dead-ended for a while until I figured
out that everything modern was in org/apache/** 

As for creating my own maven, sure I can do that if it seems to be
necessary, though forking a project has significant costs, both in the
initial code and in maintenance. I'd actually been thinking more along
the lines of a plug-in that parses settings.xml and fails out if it
doesn't like what it sees. I'm just curious why this fairly important
bit of configuration is left out on the desktop where it is hard to
manage. The size of the companies that are locking things down is
probably shrinking over time as IT managers and Execs become more savvy
about licensing/IP and more companies have offshore teams. Ours was more
permissive in the past, but the lockdown is in progress, and I'm trying
to make sure my team can still operate when it happens.

-Gus

Patrick Heck
||| Principal Software Engineer
Aspen Technology, Inc. ||| +1 781-221-6483 ||| www.aspentech.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Wendy Smoak [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 9:33 PM
To: Maven Users List
Subject: Re: Bootstraping a repository manager

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Heck, Gus (Patrick)
<[email protected]> wrote:
> As I explained in another response, I want the software to tell me
when I've got enough stuff to build (much like test driven development),
rather than trusting I covered everything post-hoc. As for doing it with
ant projects, I've certainly been there. At one job I wrote a custom ant
task that looked at /lib, a properties file and a directory called
/licenses. If the jar in lib didn't have an entry in the properties
file, or the value for that jar in the properties file didn't match the
name of a file in /licenses, the build failed. Not really that hard to
implement. As you say, the big time sink is in hunting down the
licenses, but in the current job I have to do that anyway to include a
copy of the license with the approval form for the lawyers... nothing
maven can do about that. The only irritation is that some basic
artifacts seem to be hard to find and instead of an answer such as "the
artifacts you need can be found here" I get a chorus of "don't do that"

Hm?  I already told you where the things are.  In the central
repository.  (And you need both the jar and the pom for it to work.)

Typically the only organizations that can afford to be this paranoid
are really big ones.  I work with one of those.  The internal Maven
repo does not talk to the internet.  Instead, developers fill out a
web form to request a new artifact to be uploaded, someone approves it
if it's in the standards, or sends them off to the reference
architecture team to explain why they need it, and then someone else
presses the buttons in Archiva to upload it.

Plugins are a special case.  Those we handle within the build team, as
they typically want all kinds of dependencies.  So for those we
connect to the internet and use the Maven Assembly plugin to create a
repository bundle by listing the plugin as a dependency.  Maven goes
off and gets everything that plugin needs, and the whole bundle is
uploaded.  Those artifacts generally aren't going to get into your end
product, they are just used during the build.

> By the way, I am a bit irritated that maven put's the repository
information out on the developer's settings.xml. I'd much rather be able
to manage that centrally, and not leave it as something that they could
screw up, or forget to do after their hard drive fails and the set
things up a second time. Is there a way to lock things into a single
repository without settings.xml?

That's where it's done, with a mirror in settings.xml.  You can create
your own Maven distribution with the settings.xml you want them to use
packaged inside it (in the /conf directory.)

I assume if you're this strict about dependencies, developers are not
downloading random software from the internet and installing it on
their machines, so provide the Maven distro you want them to use.

-- 
Wendy

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