All: Been reading all the emails on the NB migration. I do JAVA on NB 8.0.2 platform and have not upgraded due to the issues being address. I do okay with the NB 8. If this is so critical for getting program done for clients, then one should be willing to pay for the platform. See it as a business expense and write it off at tax time. Normally, tools are included in the cost of a job -so I'm miffed as to the expectations placing the onus on NB development to resolve things at no cost. NB is a great platform and this is merely a transitional period for it, so I stay with my current platform and wait until the dust settles --or pay for the upgrade with support if my situation changes. While NB has many issues, it will eventually resolve the main ones or become a dust covered relic with passing memories.
Bill > Indeed, I think the approach Emilian suggests is the way to go. And, > indeed, if you don't want to or have the time to move to Maven of Gradle, > then a lot of modern options start closing off to you. > > But, on a different level, for a lot of users of NetBeans, the chickens > have come home to roost: a free and open source project, such as NetBeans, > should never simply have been 'used', it should always have been invested > in. For example, simply filing a bug and hoping someone will turn up to > fix > it has never been the way open source is meant to work. > > Nothing is ever free -- either you spend time (in understanding how > NetBeans works, for example) or money (in paying JetBrains, for example, > and then you have engineers creating IntelliJ IDEA for you). Not spending > anything at all and hoping things will work out for you has never been a > sustainable approach. > > Gjj > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM Emilian Bold <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Go and pick Azul Zulu' JDK FX package which comes bundles with JavaFX: >> >> https://www.azul.com/downloads/zulu-community/?&architecture=x86-64-bit&package=jdk-fx >> >> I used it for an older Platform app where I don't feel like >> configuring the FX mumbo jumbo. >> >> I doubt anybody can make a magic transition tools since there's too >> much people can customize... >> >> Given the resources available, things are as they are. They could >> always be better. >> >> --emi >> >> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:16 PM Paul Szudzik <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > I have been a NetBeans user since inception. I am retired now, >> but >> when I worked, I was one of the few people in my company that was an >> advocate of NetBeans, and used it instead of the company line, Eclipse >> product. >> > >> > Retired now for 10+ years, I used NetBeans to develop my products, >> and really getting involved in JavaFX big time. I love the cross >> platform >> capability, and use it on both Ubuntu and Windows. Raspberry Pi, no >> problem. Windows, no problem. I loved it. Then boom, Oracle takes >> JavaFX >> out of the mix, and NetBeans and I start having major problems. It gets >> harder and harder to use NetBeans with itâs incompatibility with >> JavaFX >> without going through hoops every single time we upgrade. I have a ton >> of >> projects that are a major pain to go back to without having to dance on >> a >> high wire to get to work. And I am still not sure I can do this >> anymore. >> > >> > I have been a computer programmer, designer and architect for well >> over 53+ years. I have see many systems come and go, many IDE rise and >> fall, many languages surface and crash. The move to Maven is beyond my >> scope now. I want to program, not to have to regenerate and rehash my >> build system every release. I have tried to move over to 11, and mostly >> failed. I have too many modules and programs in play to hack this out. >> > >> > It would have been great if NetBeans had a seamless transition , >> built in conversions for old projects to current format. Seriously, I >> would love to be on that train. But nope, it seems too much handholding >> and dancing. I currently have a half dozen active Betaâs that are >> stuck >> in a NetBeans 8.1.x / Java 8 scenario, that I want to port into NetBeans >> 11.3 / Java 13+ area, but really donât believe that it is 1: Easy, 2: >> Lasting, 3: Enduring more than another release. >> > >> > I still have reported bugs > 5 years old that are not resolved. >> > >> > I see streams of notes that are asking questions about >> compatibility. ( The latest straw is the Ant image ... ) I see how >> once >> the major players in NetBeans get on a wagon, the trail off is almost >> impossible. If youâre new to NetBeans, perhaps this is a good trend. >> If >> you have dealt with NetBeans as long as I have.. it becomes more than >> just >> an annoyance. It almost easier to find another IDE to settle in on, as >> the >> amount of work to transfer 100+ projects, probably more, from old >> NetBeans >> to new NetBeans is formidable. >> > >> > Maybe a 3rd party can produce a product that 100% transfer old >> projects to Maven.. Iâd rather develop and code than mess around with >> trying to make things move up the NetBeans chain anymore.. Coding is >> fun, >> transitioning is not. I am 100% committed to JavaFX, I like the layouts, >> I >> like what Gluon has done, I like the look and feel. >> > >> > NetBeans 8 â> NetBeans 11+ â> convert ... >> > >> > I would normally apologize for my rant, but nope. I feel that I am >> now progressing backwards... >> > >> > >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >> >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >> >> > Bill Melendez, Founder & CEO, MBA HEMS Technology www.hemstech.com www.linkedin.com/in/billmelendez [email protected] 817-932-0047 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
