My $.02, I’ve been benefitting from NB since I moved over from Visual Cafe in 1999 (to give you an idea of what a Java dinosaur I am). And my only contributions in 2+ decades have been bug reports (most of which now lie forgotten somewhere in the bowels of the old Bugzilla system) and 1-2 NetCAT participations. I have always been willing to pay for this excellent tool but never had the desire (or time) to improve it myself. In the early days, I once downloaded it with the faint hope of correcting a minor bug - but didn’t even succeed in building it. For me at least, the time it takes to get high enough on the learning curve to contribute meaningfully is more than I have been willing to invest (maybe that’ll change after I retire in a few years).
But like I said, I’ve always been more than happy to pay for the tool. I wonder if it’s too late for NB to introduce such an alternative/additional model? Just a thought. Best regards, Tom > On Mar 13, 2020, at 9:51 AM, John Mc <mcdonnell.j...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > But instead of looking at this financial payment, why not consider an > time/effort payment? > > At present, I cant really talk, I've been busy, and have provided anything > back to NetBeans in a while but then I don't have any issues that are > negatively effecting me. If and when I do I will hopefully try to address > them, like I have tried to in the past. > > The way I see it, if we could find out what exactly is blocking people from > moving to 11.3/12, and then if they can spend even a small amount of > time/effort into looking at these we can get to an even better NetBeans > product. > > John > >> On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 at 13:34, Robert Erdt <rob.e...@charter.net> wrote: >> Agreed, NetBeans is worth paying for.... >> >> I am with Bill, I have not upgraded and I am at 9 similar to 8. >> >> Rob >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bmelen...@hemstech.com [mailto:bmelen...@hemstech.com] >> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:30 AM >> To: Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> >> Cc: Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com>; Paul Szudzik >> <pszud...@throwarock.com>; Netbeans Mailing List <users@netbeans.apache.org> >> Subject: Re: Statement of disappointment >> >> All: >> >> Been reading all the emails on the NB migration. I do JAVA on NB 8.0.2 >> platform and have not upgraded due to the issues being address. I do okay >> with the NB 8. If this is so critical for getting program done for clients, >> then one should be willing to pay for the platform. See it as a business >> expense and write it off at tax time. Normally, tools are included in the >> cost of a job -so I'm miffed as to the expectations placing the onus on NB >> development to resolve things at no cost. NB is a great platform and this is >> merely a transitional period for it, so I stay with my current platform and >> wait until the dust settles --or pay for the upgrade with support if my >> situation changes. While NB has many issues, it will eventually resolve the >> main ones or become a dust covered relic with passing memories. >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> > Indeed, I think the approach Emilian suggests is the way to go. And, >> > indeed, if you don't want to or have the time to move to Maven of >> > Gradle, then a lot of modern options start closing off to you. >> > >> > But, on a different level, for a lot of users of NetBeans, the >> > chickens have come home to roost: a free and open source project, such >> > as NetBeans, should never simply have been 'used', it should always >> > have been invested in. For example, simply filing a bug and hoping >> > someone will turn up to fix it has never been the way open source is >> > meant to work. >> > >> > Nothing is ever free -- either you spend time (in understanding how >> > NetBeans works, for example) or money (in paying JetBrains, for >> > example, and then you have engineers creating IntelliJ IDEA for you). >> > Not spending anything at all and hoping things will work out for you >> > has never been a sustainable approach. >> > >> > Gjj >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Go and pick Azul Zulu' JDK FX package which comes bundles with JavaFX: >> >> >> >> https://www.azul.com/downloads/zulu-community/?&architecture=x86-64-b >> >> it&package=jdk-fx >> >> >> >> I used it for an older Platform app where I don't feel like >> >> configuring the FX mumbo jumbo. >> >> >> >> I doubt anybody can make a magic transition tools since there's too >> >> much people can customize... >> >> >> >> Given the resources available, things are as they are. They could >> >> always be better. >> >> >> >> --emi >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:16 PM Paul Szudzik <pszud...@throwarock.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I have been a NetBeans user since inception. I am retired now, >> >> but >> >> when I worked, I was one of the few people in my company that was an >> >> advocate of NetBeans, and used it instead of the company line, >> >> Eclipse product. >> >> > >> >> > Retired now for 10+ years, I used NetBeans to develop my >> >> > products, >> >> and really getting involved in JavaFX big time. I love the cross >> >> platform capability, and use it on both Ubuntu and Windows. >> >> Raspberry Pi, no problem. Windows, no problem. I loved it. Then >> >> boom, Oracle takes JavaFX out of the mix, and NetBeans and I start >> >> having major problems. It gets harder and harder to use NetBeans with >> >> it’s incompatibility with JavaFX without going through hoops every >> >> single time we upgrade. I have a ton of projects that are a major >> >> pain to go back to without having to dance on a high wire to get to >> >> work. And I am still not sure I can do this anymore. >> >> > >> >> > I have been a computer programmer, designer and architect for >> >> > well >> >> over 53+ years. I have see many systems come and go, many IDE rise >> >> and fall, many languages surface and crash. The move to Maven is >> >> beyond my scope now. I want to program, not to have to regenerate >> >> and rehash my build system every release. I have tried to move over >> >> to 11, and mostly failed. I have too many modules and programs in play >> >> to hack this out. >> >> > >> >> > It would have been great if NetBeans had a seamless transition >> >> > , >> >> built in conversions for old projects to current format. Seriously, >> >> I would love to be on that train. But nope, it seems too much >> >> handholding and dancing. I currently have a half dozen active >> >> Beta’s that are stuck in a NetBeans 8.1.x / Java 8 scenario, that >> >> I want to port into NetBeans >> >> 11.3 / Java 13+ area, but really don’t believe that it is 1: Easy, 2: >> >> Lasting, 3: Enduring more than another release. >> >> > >> >> > I still have reported bugs > 5 years old that are not resolved. >> >> > >> >> > I see streams of notes that are asking questions about >> >> compatibility. ( The latest straw is the Ant image ... ) I see how >> >> once the major players in NetBeans get on a wagon, the trail off is >> >> almost impossible. If you’re new to NetBeans, perhaps this is a >> >> good trend. >> >> If >> >> you have dealt with NetBeans as long as I have.. it becomes more than >> >> just an annoyance. It almost easier to find another IDE to settle in >> >> on, as the amount of work to transfer 100+ projects, probably more, >> >> from old NetBeans to new NetBeans is formidable. >> >> > >> >> > Maybe a 3rd party can produce a product that 100% transfer old >> >> projects to Maven.. I’d rather develop and code than mess around >> >> with trying to make things move up the NetBeans chain anymore.. >> >> Coding is fun, transitioning is not. I am 100% committed to JavaFX, I >> >> like the layouts, I like what Gluon has done, I like the look and >> >> feel. >> >> > >> >> > NetBeans 8 –> NetBeans 11+ –> convert ... >> >> > >> >> > I would normally apologize for my rant, but nope. I feel that I >> >> > am >> >> now progressing backwards... >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org >> >> >> >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> Bill Melendez, Founder & CEO, MBA >> HEMS Technology >> www.hemstech.com >> www.linkedin.com/in/billmelendez >> bmelen...@hemstech.com >> 817-932-0047 >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org >> >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org >> >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >>
