On 7/29/2014 9:33 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
On 7/28/2014 4:17 PM, Jay Plesset wrote:
My church decided to go with O-365, without even evaluating any
alternatives. We have an unemployed IT person that talked the staff into
this, even though I've offered to implement a "real" e-mail solution
multiple times, and even provide hardware to run it on.
Apparently they didn't understand if the guy was an unemployed IT person
there was a reason he was unemployed!
Agreed.....
"free" was the biggest draw, then "no administration". *sigh*.
But, the "no administration" isn't true at all. There's still
administration.
Does Microsoft provide Office 365 free to churches? I know that they
had ridiculously cheap server license pricing (through their Charity
Pricing program) but I didn't know they had got to Free with Office 365?
That's what they told me. I said, "Free for now at least. . . "
I did a lot of work for my families church a decade ago in the volunteer
area. Both on the building committee and IT work for them.
I learned after a year that if your goal is to have people who don't
understand or appreciate what you do for them, and shit all over what
you do for them, volunteer for a church.
Oh, yeah. My wife and I built a new website for them. Last summer, the
staff didn't bother with updating the calendar, and come fall, they
said, "we forgot how".
The other thing about churches is that the staff runs more than they
should, and really, truly doesn't understand the reason for a website,
marketing, etc.
jay
There's a reason most churches constantly solicit for volunteers. A
church is the only place that a professional tradesperson can
volunteer his services and during the job be told that he's doing it
wrong, by people who have never held a wrench, paintbrush, pipe
threader, network cable, you name it.
I actually saw one time a couple come in and paint a large room in the
church, used very good paint, excellent coverage, masked off everything,
etc. and when they left the room looked like a pro had done it - no
paint runs or drips where they weren't supposed to be etc. Then 2
weeks later the church paid to have a professional come in and paint
the room - again - same color - same paint. When I asked why, I was
told "we had the painters scheduled for that room, they should have
asked us before painting in there" This is the kind of politics you
run into with church volunteering.
Ted
jay plesset
IT, dp-design.com
On 7/28/2014 3:49 PM, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:57:38 -0400
"David F. Skoll" <d...@roaringpenguin.com> wrote:
David> 1) Gmail is actually pretty good at filtering spam. I can't
David> speak for MSFT since I don't use it.
David> 2) Especially in North America, companies are short-sighted and
David> go for quick fixes and things that look cheap up-front without
David> considering the long-term costs.
David> 3) Especially in North America, people don't see the value in
David> learning technology. They want simple, spoon-fed solutions and
David> they love the word "oursourcing". Sorry if (2) and (3) are not
David> PC, but the slag against North Americans is based on my personal
David> experience. :) And hey, I'm Canadian so I can dis my own
crowd...
David> 4) Most non-technical small businesses equate "Mail Server" with
David> "Microsoft Exchange", and Microsoft has steadily been making
David> Exchange more and more of a PITA to administer. Each new version
David> of Exchange breaks things and requires learning new procedures.
David> Combine that with (3) and we see that MSFT is using on-premise
David> Exchange as a trojan horse to get people on O-365. The huge pool
David> of "managed service providers" that recommend MSFT solutions is
David> by-and-large staffed by incompetents who are only too happy to
David> shove their customers onto O-365 and collect kickbacks every
David> month.
Good summary, but I think you forgot (5):
They have prettier icons.
I am not 100% kidding, either.
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