I wonder how hard it is to break from the conventions in Rails. I would expect that with Tapestry+HM it would be pretty easy.
Tapestry, in some cases, has too many conventions. Look at the rules for finding pages and components. If you add em all up there are more than 10. (10!!) We, and I'm sure everyone does this, have chosen the case that works best for us(plus we are using Tap 3 and have Spindle - cringe - duck) and made that the convention in the office. All of our 9 developers do the same thing. We have even made conventions on how we handle the rewind, use javascript in our pages, etc. With 160+ pages it's pretty easy for any developer to go in and fix a bug in a page they didn't write. We had one person, who has since moved on, who decided not to follow the office conventions and it has been a nightmare fixing issues in that code. So, yes I'm very pro convention. Geoff On 6/15/06, James Carman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Nothing's wrong with conventions. Tapestry already uses them somewhat (page names map to classnames in the default page package). Rails gets a *lot* done by just using conventions. -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Longman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 3:30 PM To: Tapestry users Subject: Re: custom namespace COP cool acronym. What is wrong with conventions? (I have never used Rails) Geoff On 6/15/06, James Carman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, you want Tapestry to switch to convention-oriented programming (a la > Rails)? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 3:20 PM > To: Tapestry users > Subject: Re: custom namespace > > +1 for that rant. > > > Geoff Longman wrote: > > > Good God No! > > > > While I love the idea of auto discovery of libraries, every time I see > > a quick suggestion to use Hivemind I cringe. > > > > IMO HM is *required* to do too many everyday things in T4. HM should > > be relegated to use when the *implementation of the runtime* needs to > > be changed or enhanced because a convention doesn't handle a > > particular case. A normal everyday user should be able to build > > libraries, have full featured ASO's, and build services without ever > > writing a line of HM config. > > > > That puts a lot more pressure on the committers to identify the > > everyday tasks and find intelligent conventions for users to do > > something without writing HM code. That doesn't mean HM is out of the > > mix, it's just out of sight and available for those 1% cases where you > > just have to make Tap behave differently from the convention. Really, > > in a perfect world the Tapestry docs would make no reference to HM > > except in an appendix. > > > > end of rant! > > > > Geoff > > > > On 6/15/06, James Carman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> It would be nice if the component libraries could add themselves to > >> the mix > >> via a HiveMind contribution. Of course, they would allow "users" to > >> override their default namespace via a symbol override contribution or > >> something. That's the way I'd do it. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Norbert Sándor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:27 PM > >> To: Tapestry users > >> Subject: Re: custom namespace > >> > >> I use many such component libraries which means that because of this > >> issue, many libraries must be specified "by hand". > >> Not a big problem, just tried to avoid it :) > >> > >> Regards, > >> Norbi > >> > >> Geoff Longman wrote: > >> > Yes, that's true. But is that really a problem? Contrib has the same > >> > issue. > >> > > >> > Geoff > >> > > >> > On 6/15/06, Norbert Sándor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> Thanks! > >> >> > >> >> This means that I must force the user of my component library to > >> define > >> >> my library with a fix alias in the .application file. > >> >> > >> >> Regards, > >> >> Norbi > >> >> > >> >> Jesse Kuhnert wrote: > >> >> > You mean like contrib or tacos? I think the namespace name can > >> be tied > >> >> > to a > >> >> > .library file via your .application configuration. (this I'm > >> less sure > >> >> > of as > >> >> > the best solution) > >> >> > > >> >> > On 6/14/06, Norbert Sándor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Hi, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> By default there are 2 namespaces: framework and application. > >> >> >> How can I define my own, custom namespace? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Regards, > >> >> >> Norbi > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> >> > > >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> >> > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/362 - Release Date: > >> >> 2006.06.12. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- The Spindle guy. http://spindle.sf.net Blog: http://jroller.com/page/glongman Other interests: http://www.squidoo.com/spaceelevator/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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