For general Java:
How about LinkedIn? Anything with OpenSocial/Shindig ( Myspace, Hi5,
Orkut, iGoogle, maybe even Yahoo Social ).
For Tapestry:
I would like to say my sites but they are only timid successes (
tapestry is not the issue, just the business :)
protrade.com
apps.facebook.com/bracket
apps.facebook.com/citizensports
apps.facebook.com/redsoxnation
...
..
.
Otho wrote:
Yup, no websites in java. Googlemail doesn't count. And german Telekom and
Postbank are totally niche companies. :)
2009/2/18 Daniel Honig <daniel.ho...@gmail.com>
Ok...very late for me....Horrible post!
But I do have some real points... let me bullet point
- dynamic language frameworks offer great but often overexaggerated
productivity ( dependent on lots of factors!)
- PHP does not mean you can hire less than talented folks and expect a
huge cost/productivity savings (Cake PHP has a learning curve too!)
- Open source ecosystem in Java blows away any other environment
- Django and Rails are great but cost of retraining is high
- You can't argue with folks who are beat up by the mistakes of java past
and refuse to look at the light at the end of the Java tunnel(groovy,
grails, scala)
- A skilled tap or wo team can likely meet or exceed the real cost/effort
level of a django/grails/php/rails team and leave a better system in
place
- Communicating with those who are lost in the hype of dynamic language
frameworks is difficult.
too late...too tired....but hope the bullet points make up for my previous
post. i think they are all points worth discussion.
2009/2/18 Daniel Honig <daniel.ho...@gmail.com>
Just tell him to go check out grails before he goes off and tries to
re-invent the infrastructure in cake php.
That being said once T5 is part of my migration path once I reach the
limits of scalability from all the MOP overhead from dynamic language
frameworks.
In a perfect world, I'd write my domain in GORM and expose it to tapestry
via some lightweight service layer....
But if your boss really wants to go and re-invent everything in Django or
PHP it might just be a lost cause.
You might want to point out that often the productivity gain is a a bit
of
a shell game....In any of these languages you still need to hire good or
great developers to get productivity. In dynamic frameworks you can't
keep
a stable codebase unless you write good to great integration tests to
verify
your execution paths are stable and not doing something crazy from
release
to release.....IMHO, the productiviy gains from dynamic frameworks are a
bit
overexaggerated......All of these frameworks have a learning
curve.....Unless your boss wants a project delivered by a bunch of PHP
script kids?.....It's a shell game....
Despite my love of grails, after working with grails for a year and a
previous life that included lots of WO and T4 experience, I think there
is
no reason that a talented agile Tap X team could not keep up with the
true
productivity of any other framework. Full stop ;)
The trouble is how do you bring communicate this effectively?
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Borut Bolčina <borut.bolc...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello,
just want to share a piece of corporate mind set with you.
My boss decided that none of the Java frameworks is productive in
comparison
to PHP, Ruby and Django and that there are no web sites written in any
Java
framework. Can you believe that? I would like to prove him wrong with
Tapestry Cayenne combo. Unfortunately I have no list of T5 success
stories.
I am sorry for spamming, but I had to let the steam out!
-Borut
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