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350k/month PAGE VIEWS(1million during top 100) --James -----Original Message----- From: Fernando Padilla [mailto:f...@alum.mit.edu] Sent: February-18-09 1:19 PM To: Tapestry users Subject: Re: [OT] By boss decided For general Java: How about LinkedIn? Anything with OpenSocial/Shindig ( Myspace, Hi5, Orkut, iGoogle, maybe even Yahoo Social ). For Tapestry: I would like to say my sites but they are only timid successes ( tapestry is not the issue, just the business :) protrade.com apps.facebook.com/bracket apps.facebook.com/citizensports apps.facebook.com/redsoxnation ... .. . Otho wrote: > Yup, no websites in java. Googlemail doesn't count. And german Telekom and > Postbank are totally niche companies. :) > > 2009/2/18 Daniel Honig <daniel.ho...@gmail.com> > >> Ok...very late for me....Horrible post! >> >> But I do have some real points... let me bullet point >> >> >> - dynamic language frameworks offer great but often overexaggerated >> productivity ( dependent on lots of factors!) >> - PHP does not mean you can hire less than talented folks and expect a >> huge cost/productivity savings (Cake PHP has a learning curve too!) >> - Open source ecosystem in Java blows away any other environment >> - Django and Rails are great but cost of retraining is high >> - You can't argue with folks who are beat up by the mistakes of java past >> and refuse to look at the light at the end of the Java tunnel(groovy, >> grails, scala) >> - A skilled tap or wo team can likely meet or exceed the real cost/effort >> level of a django/grails/php/rails team and leave a better system in >> place >> - Communicating with those who are lost in the hype of dynamic language >> frameworks is difficult. >> >> >> too late...too tired....but hope the bullet points make up for my previous >> post. i think they are all points worth discussion. >> >> 2009/2/18 Daniel Honig <daniel.ho...@gmail.com> >> >>> Just tell him to go check out grails before he goes off and tries to >>> re-invent the infrastructure in cake php. >>> >>> That being said once T5 is part of my migration path once I reach the >>> limits of scalability from all the MOP overhead from dynamic language >>> frameworks. >>> In a perfect world, I'd write my domain in GORM and expose it to tapestry >>> via some lightweight service layer.... >>> >>> But if your boss really wants to go and re-invent everything in Django or >>> PHP it might just be a lost cause. >>> >>> You might want to point out that often the productivity gain is a a bit >> of >>> a shell game....In any of these languages you still need to hire good or >>> great developers to get productivity. In dynamic frameworks you can't >> keep >>> a stable codebase unless you write good to great integration tests to >> verify >>> your execution paths are stable and not doing something crazy from >> release >>> to release.....IMHO, the productiviy gains from dynamic frameworks are a >> bit >>> overexaggerated......All of these frameworks have a learning >>> curve.....Unless your boss wants a project delivered by a bunch of PHP >>> script kids?.....It's a shell game.... >>> >>> Despite my love of grails, after working with grails for a year and a >>> previous life that included lots of WO and T4 experience, I think there >> is >>> no reason that a talented agile Tap X team could not keep up with the >> true >>> productivity of any other framework. Full stop ;) >>> >>> The trouble is how do you bring communicate this effectively? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Borut Bolčina <borut.bolc...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> just want to share a piece of corporate mind set with you. >>>> >>>> My boss decided that none of the Java frameworks is productive in >>>> comparison >>>> to PHP, Ruby and Django and that there are no web sites written in any >>>> Java >>>> framework. Can you believe that? I would like to prove him wrong with >>>> Tapestry Cayenne combo. Unfortunately I have no list of T5 success >>>> stories. >>>> >>>> I am sorry for spamming, but I had to let the steam out! >>>> >>>> -Borut >>>> >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org
