I agree a book would be great, what happened to the tapestry5-book
project http://code.google.com/p/tapestry5-book/ ?
Still, i think a lot better could be done with the online documentation.
I believe the structure of the online documentation should be very
similar to a book, it should start with the basics and evolve to more
"hardcore" stuff from there. Just the fact that the current
documentation is structured with only one level of depth and the list
of item is ordered alphabetically makes the task of finding some
information much more difficult.
I for example really like how the hibernate documentation is
structure, i usually have to problem finding what i'm looking for
there.
So, maybe the wiki could be a starting place for the birth of a
documentation with such a structure.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Blower, Andy
<andy.blo...@proquest.co.uk> wrote:
> I think you hit the nail on the head Carl. The documentation is okay
generally (some bits poor, some very good) but there is not enough to tie
it
all together and guide new developers so they know what they can do with
T5.
I'm not convinced that the main documentation should attempt this on its
own, or whether it should strive to be a great reference with some more
higher level introductory/discovery bits along with a good published book
to
handle introducing everything and tying it together. Having the only
published book for T5 being so out of date is a huge problem for the
framework in my opinion.
>
> I don't think a wiki is the answer to this, I really like knowing that
the documentation that I'm looking at is for a specific version of
Tapestry
and is updated when the code is - I would not want to lose that.
>
> Andy.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Carl Crowder [mailto:carl.crow...@taptu.com]
>> Sent: 29 April 2009 22:04
>> To: Tapestry users
>> Subject: Re: T5: What is NOT beautiful about Tapestry?
>>
>> Discovery of it's parts. Franky the documentation is lacking and even
>> with reading the mailing list, reading the howtos wiki, buying the
>> Tapestry 5 book and working with it for over a year I still come
>> across
>> things I never knew existed that would have solved a problem I've had.
>> I
>> often spend ages writing something myself after searching for a
>> solution.
>>
>> What's beautiful about Tapestry? That almost every problem has a
>> simple
>> solution built in. What's not beautiful about Tapestry? That I
>> generally
>> find these solutions by accident, and way after I've written my own!
>>
>> Lots of things are obvious and easy to understand once you know what
>> they are but it's learning what they are that is the problem. I've
>> been
>> waxing lyrical about Tapestry where I work and while the developers
>> who
>> tried it love it, their main gripe is always that it's difficult to
>> understand what it can do.
>>
>> The cookbook is the right idea but it's only got 5 entries right now.
>> It
>> needs to be way more comprehensive
>>
>> Inge Solvoll wrote:
>> > Hi!
>> >
>> > I have been reading the "beautiful" thread and added my opinion
>> > about
>> what's
>> > great about Tapestry. It's nice to sum up why we all are so excited
>> about
>> > this, it obviously makes both us and the creator(s) feel good about
>> > ourselves. But for a little while, I challenge us all to stop
>> > tapping
>> each
>> > others' backs and go into depth about what's not to like about our
>> beloved
>> > framework.
>> >
>> > The most obvious questions that could be asked probably have some
>> very
>> > obvious answers. But T5, as I see it, is all about addressing stuff
>> that
>> > other frameworks have given up on and create excellent
>> implementations
>> > rather than just looking the other way. Difficult and uncomfortable
>> > questions should be addressed the same way.
>> >
>> > So:
>> >
>> > What are the main reasons that T5 isn't one of the "big ones", when
>> we all
>> > seem to agree that it is so much better than most other frameworks
>> out
>> > there? Why is T5 NOT beautiful?
>> >
>> > Hope I'm not insulting anyone, I'm a big fan too, I just think this
>> actually
>> > could lead to significant insight :)
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Inge
>> >
>>
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