Hi there. Just my two cents as a front end dev working on Tapestry projects.
I'd rather you made it easier to plug in ANY js library of one's choice, including purpose built ones. It should really be a day's work or so for a front end dev to decide they are going to use library X, find out it's not supported yet, and create a Tapestry bridge. Anything more involved will put people off. As for out-of-the-box support, even though prototype.js is one of the worse libraries out there in terms of playing nice with other libraries on the same page, if you stop supporting it you'll have a lot of angry devs on your hands, so you can't do that. If you want to offer another option to make Tapestry more palatable, jQuery is the obvious option purely for its popularity. The truth of the matter is that all js libraries are much of muchness (although some like ext.js are monster compared to others). They all get the job done. I don't think you should really concern yourself with that, as I said earlier, just make it easy to drop in any library, and we'll do the rest. For example MooTools is my favourite, I'll be happy to build a bridge for that, but I don't have the time nor will to tear my hair out doing it. Hope that makes sense Thanks Fritz > Wrt jquery vs. others, i'd say jquery has won especially for your > "everyday webapp", i.e. the webapp that contains lots of html > pages and mostly serves just that - html pages. Incidentally, i believe > that that's where Tapestry is good at - creating the markup for those > pages. > > On the other end, there's the "one-page webapps". Those mostly > serve data in json or xml format and I believe jquery is not well > suited for those (yet) - interestingly [1] was written today and deals > with exactly this separation. > > To get back to Tapestry though, i tried today Robin's tapestry5-jquery > after first upgrading it for 5.2 - see [2], [3] > > Some tests in [3] are failing but i was anxious to use it so i ported the > tapestwitter app from prototype to jquery and it almost worked. > Both versions > have the exact same functionality and there's no trace of prototype in the > jquery version but there's still work to be done (zone updating in my 5.2 > upgrade has some issues - but perhaps i've just messed things up) > > Anyway, almost all the changes required were about rewriting custom > prototype code to jquery - see [4]. So, all in all, tapestry5-jquery > is definitely > worth a try > > [1] http://rmurphey.posterous.com/on-jquery-large-applications > [2] http://github.com/andyhot/tapestry5-clientresources/tree/tap-5.2 > [3] http://github.com/andyhot/tapestry5-jquery/tree/tap-5.2 > [4] > http://github.com/andyhot/tapestwitter/commit/44b5e8a49df4292eddb95499e2b234403b9c5066 > > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 20:07, Ville Virtanen > <ville.virta...@cerion.fi<mailto:ville.virta...@cerion.fi>> > wrote: > > > > Portlet support and this Js fix are the most important new features. > > Especially the no-portlet support part stopped T5 in recent evaluation to > > build SAP front end and handling portal for multinational customer > running > > Oracle's weblogics. > > > > - Ville > > > > > > Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > >> > >> jQuery and Prototype have similar capabilities implemented in > >> extremely different ways. > >> > >> My intention is to factor out what T5 and the standard components use > >> into a thin wrapper library around either Prototype or jQuery, or > >> others (such as Ext, YUI, etc.). Name you favorite JS library and > >> you'll hear people call out their favorites you've never even heard > >> of! > >> > >> At this point, Tapestry has had enough JS exposure for me to identify > >> a minimum set of common operations. > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Pierce Wetter > >> <pie...@paceap.com<mailto:pie...@paceap.com>> > wrote: > >>> > >>> On Aug 9, 2010, at 5:50 AM, Michael Gentry wrote: > >>> > >>>> A downside to Tapestry adopting JQuery at this point is it hurts those > >>>> of us who bit the bullet and used Prototype (since it comes with T5 > >>>> for "free"). It would make upgrading more time consuming. > >>>> Personally, I would prefer JQuery, but there is a cost involved in > >>>> using it now (additional bandwidth + memory footprint) or in the > >>>> future (conversion). > >>> > >>> Doesn't JQuery support a superset of Prototype? Does anyone know what > >>> the incompatibilities are? > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Howard M. Lewis Ship > >> > >> Creator of Apache Tapestry > >> > >> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to > >> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast! > >> > >> (971) 678-5210 > >> http://howardlewisship.com > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org<mailto:users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > >> users-h...@tapestry.apache.org<mailto:users-h...@tapestry.apache.org> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://old.nabble.com/Why-would-I-choose-JQuery--tp29360084p29390075.html > > Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at > > Nabble.com<http://Nabble.com>. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org<mailto:users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org> > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > users-h...@tapestry.apache.org<mailto:users-h...@tapestry.apache.org> > > > > > > > > -- > Andreas Andreou - andy...@apache.org<mailto:andy...@apache.org> - > http://blog.andyhot.gr > Tapestry PMC / Tacos developer > Open Source / JEE Consulting > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org<mailto:users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org> > For additional commands, e-mail: > users-h...@tapestry.apache.org<mailto:users-h...@tapestry.apache.org> > > Cheers Fritz -- Fritz Stelluto +44 (0)7817 719 566 / fritz.stell...@ioko.com<mailto:fritz.stell...@ioko.com> / fritzthe...@gmail.com<mailto:fritzthe...@gmail.com> ioko --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org
