Please don't think it's the whole Tomcat community Dean, there are some really 
helpful devs on Tomat, it's just Remy in particular has a problem being 
polite/arrogant about Tomcat - I guess from his privileged point of view he 
understands everything about Tomcat and therefore does not understand what 
usability is all about.

All the best, AC.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Hiller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 31 March 2006 11:39
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: tomcat 5.0 vs. 5.5? tomcat 5.5 has been bad!

    wow! you guys sound pretty harsh when it comes to messages to help users on 
simple mistakes then.  I recently dropped in someone else's example app war 
file that had the SAME PROBLEM.....latest facelets.  I could not even give back 
information to help them debug the problem.  It was standard tomcat 5.5.16.  It 
worked on 5.0 just fine.  I now know that I need to unzip their war file, 
remove log4j(and maybe even hope that they are using commons, because if they 
are not, I may be utterly screwed).  Then I need to redeploy their app.  I need 
to do all this because tomcat is unwilling to give good helpful messages as to 
what is going on(as seen by all the other posts that have had trouble figuring 
out their problems behind that error with no reponses either.....I was the 
lucky one and finally figured out what was wrong).  I can only hope others can 
find my solution post without wasting too much time.
later,
dean



Remy Maucherat wrote:

>On 3/30/06, Markus Schönhaber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>>The RuntimeException is to make it more noticeable in the logs.   I mean
>>>953 hits on googling is quite alot of people having trouble.  Would 
>>>be nice to cut that number down with an easy log statement that 
>>>tomcat could add!!!
>>>      
>>>
>>Well, if it's really that easy you should definitely provide a patch.
>>    
>>
>
>I recommend not wasting time, as I would refuse such a nonsensical 
>patch. The actual worakround is to learn how to properly use logging, 
>which seems to be a useful skill.
>
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