-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Roparzh,
On 7/20/17 2:16 PM, Roparzh Hemon wrote: > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Christopher Schultz > <ch...@christopherschultz.net> wrote: > >> 4. Java on Windows is a nightmare. If you want to quip about >> moving to a "real server OS," then suggest switching to a >> UNIX-like OS, where the Real Servers run :) > > I am quite curious and interested in what you say here, because my > feedback and experience go the opposite direction. Problems I've had on Windows with Java-based programs as listed below. Not all issues are Java-specific, however. I suspect most of these problems are because I just "don't know Windows well enough". Fair enough. But they are so irritating, they have made me confident I will never use Windows for anything production-related. 1. Watching a log file is not easy. No "tail". No command-line tools to look at text files, other than "TYPE". Want to see that log file? Open in Notepad. Oh, is your log file too big? Sorry, try a different GUI editor. Oh, does your log file have newlines instead of CRLF? Unreadable: must use WRITE.EXE or install another tool. 2. Running as a service is a headache. First, you need a wrapper program, but that wrapper program needs to fit into the Windows Service scheme. It's like systemd except without configuration files and instead you need configuration programs. This program can't return any useful status information (e.g. exit value) because anything other than 0 exit status means "error" and the service looks like it failed. Same is true with scheduled jobs, btw (and is worse, since scheduled-jobs really need to be able to return status information). If you want to use the command-line (let's just admit that Windows is completely unusable from the command-line), using "NET" to start/stop services is particularly difficult because the service name is always some 90-character string with spaces and special characters that need to be escaped. Using GUI tools gives you carpal tunnel syndrome with all the clicking required. 3. There are a handful of programs all which launch Java in different ways. You need javaw.exe if you don't want to see a console window, java.exe will always show a console window. If you use javaw.exe, stdout/stderr is discarded. 4. File paths have unexpected quirks. This is not unique to Java and is getting much better where Java is concerned, since URL handlers are improving over time. Drive letters, UNC paths, network shares, etc. are all a headache to use because you have to know the incantation for each one to make it work. Sometimes you must map a network drive letter. Out of drive letters? Too bad. Sometimes \\server\share works. Maybe? Depends on the exact versions of everything involved. 5. Scripting is awful. I'm sure PowerShell makes it better. But there was solution to this invented in the 1970s that is very powerful. It's sad that it took Windows 25 years to get a decent shell/script framework. Have a look at catalina.bat versus catalina.sh if you want to get a sense of how awful scripting in Windows actually is. > My goal is to self-teach myself Java in JEE for Web development. I > am a long-time Mac fan, but on my mac I got stuck by a > configuration problem in JEE and got ZERO feedback on half a dozen > forums and mailing lists, including this one. In contrast, in this > windows question I got a lot of feedback very quickly. Well, welcome to the community. If you ever meet me in person, you'll see I'm not such a miserable bastard as this thread would indicate. - -chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJZcjODAAoJEBzwKT+lPKRYET8P/jCEdqZV+Gk2X3QdvXU2wTII AhEhrvvZiBX7J5juqqkHgvyxF0KiR8b1rbyv7GK3Zyek7vTWvIhHuMDa8uhz13SC bmW2LnueOMH8JAH3GCmADCDPd4pTQxbYYuAnPLvyLgttu8+26ZrF3pk1zQVqWtQJ Z9m47zGKs3cSuQfnbfeMeBNUE1jPeUC8yvEzn4QMb18mRFAFXFQMJKo8VzJCujgO OLiUHMvC2J5lJoIxtt+F2AkeqHO+8Z8JxGEFYDxQVZDW5CBmNBZjqIfq5eYGlx6E CPiDbArft+4Xazh/t37nq55l5NK79/izywsK5ZW0yUvHxiTPlwog3T2/AdF3tM9v KHPVJU6rPpPWkRjOT09SQMfd0huKWGji2WF6c9uAo9MIJSzmOTwIgUSR4bA+yXaI q9zdi7JxZP0EJyqC4HaZ7U0cFLvXAvfnRLIVibR04aw+ScjkfN2qxISgcIsPqAn6 HVeDNAuBQ73Fnfxkow9uYC/ho59gRKARcThSIxMwh13DBhXfgwaqfigLfGeCD/uR N2eWdPAwNHsGQwhaaIDZECURIDTkmmDyWX/3gRFEA75jGaOiNMK7XdohsOrcBTpT LRHWJxSJJhdxi1Muijda1JSXZ2RlhrbWt9yS0w47D9nUcd7SnG6KCZUwmFuMiDuR 4yp6aJ8wG3GxfqvOYYtt =ogro -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
