Hi Cemal, The topic in the JBoss Seam Forum is: http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&t=124973&start=-10
Thanks for the interest. Cheers, Frank. On Nov 26, 2007 7:34 AM, jweekend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Frank, > > I have passed on a link to this thread (and to your blog) to a people I know > who use or are interested in Seam. > Did you start a thread on the Seam forum about your contribution? Could you > please send me the link (a search for Wicket on the JBoss forums didn't > return what I was looking for) as I would be interested to see the reaction > of the Seam community to being given the opportunity to use Wicket instead > of JSF. > > > Regards - Cemal > http://jWeekend.co.uk http://jWeekend.co.uk > > > > Frank Martínez-3 wrote: > > > > Hi Cemal, > > Thanks for your interest and words! > > > > I am a Seam developer and I started this project because i am > > interested in use Wicket in the view layer, but i already have a lot > > of the logic in Seam components and EJBs. > > > > I am not an expert Wicket user, but is a fact that Wicket is better > > than JSF in my experience. > > > > Regards, > > Frank. > > > > On Nov 22, 2007 7:01 PM, jweekend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Frank, > >> > >> This is precisely the type of information I was looking for, thank you. > >> It > >> may also give a few Wicket users more reason to have a play. > >> > >> My initial thoughts are in line with yours; this will probably be a > >> bigger > >> help to Seam users - who can now choose between Wicket's excellent and > >> easy > >> to use/extend features and the more cumbersome (but JEE "standard") JSF, > >> than to the Wicket users. > >> > >> However, this new integration possibility is clearly not a bad thing for > >> anyone concerned/affected anyway. Eventually, I expect the Wicket > >> developers/users will discover/invent ways to benefit from some of Seam's > >> features as well, even if it's only for its tight integration with jBPM > >> (and > >> Drools?) and of course, MDBs and SBs. The webbeans JSR's success will no > >> doubt have some influence on this. > >> > >> Personally, I appreciate having such options (form a Wicket user > >> perspective) and thank you for making such an integration/possibility > >> available. > >> > >> Regards - Cemal > >> http://jWeekend.co.uk http://jWeekend.co.uk > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Frank Martínez-3 wrote: > >> > > >> > Hi Eelco, > >> > > >> > On Nov 22, 2007 2:44 PM, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > wrote: > >> >> Thanks for explaining. A few questions... > >> >> > >> >> > Why i do not use proxies: > >> >> > 1. Seam injected Ejbs and JNDI resources are already proxies, so i > >> >> > don't want a proxy of the proxy of the proxy ...... > >> >> > 2. Because proxies are not outjection frendly in this case. > >> >> > >> >> Pardon me for maybe not getting it, but I don't really understand how > >> >> outjection would help Wicket developers. After all, everything works > >> >> with regular Java objects, so when I did the first pass of Seam > >> >> integration, I didn't really see the use case for 'exporting back' > >> >> values to the seam context. Isn't it enough to change the values > >> >> (which are passed by reference) if you want to have changes applied? I > >> >> somewhat understand the merit of outjection if you pass around request > >> >> parameters from request to request and if you don't work with a > >> >> construct like Wicket's models, but I'm missing the benefit of > >> >> outjection for Wicket applications. > >> >> > >> >> Would it be possible to give us a short primer on what outjection is > >> >> and what it is good for when building Wicket webapps? > >> >> > >> > > >> > Remember that there are many stateful contexts in Seam, not only the > >> > session or request, but also Business process context and conversation > >> > context which has no equivalent in other frameworks. > >> > > >> > Oujection is the possibility to export references from a component to > >> > one of the stateful contexts. For example you can export any value > >> > from a wicket page to a running business process which is accessed by > >> > other web application too. > >> > > >> >> > 3. Because it is important that you can inject/outject null > >> >> references. > >> >> > >> >> Why is that important? If it is memory consumption, those proxies null > >> >> their references at the end of a request. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Thanks, > >> >> > >> >> Eelco > >> >> > >> > > >> > The injection/outjection of null references importance is not related > >> > with memory consumption: > >> > Some times you need to take decisions based on the value of an > >> > injected resource and sometimes the null value is a meaningful case in > >> > your logic. Specially if you are using injected values coming form > >> > other complex components/services. The same applies if you want to > >> > tell to other external component that it must set to null some shared > >> > variable. > >> > > >> > Maybe wicket-seam integration is more important to Seam users than to > >> > wicket users :( > >> > Maybe wicket is very well without seam at all, but i think seam users > >> > appreciate good alternatives to JSF. And Wicket is a very good > >> > alternative. > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > Frank. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Frank D. Martínez M. > >> > Asimov Technologies Ltda. > >> > Blog: http://www.ibstaff.net/fmartinez/ > >> > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> View this message in context: > >> http://www.nabble.com/Wicket-Seam-Integration-tf4840640.html#a13905176 > >> Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Frank D. 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