>This is an interesting statement I've heard many, many times about Michael >Moore's films, especially F911. Just out of curiosity, how many people here >*have* seen F911?
soren, i hope you are not implying that my statements about moore are not valid because i haven't seen his most recent film. >> where he started "making stuff up" to manipulate his audience, though i >> understand the manipulation in f911 is not nearly as blatant (i dont plan on >> seeing the film, so i really dont know.) >The reason I don't have serious issues with Moore's bias... just to clarify - when i said "making stuff up" it was another way of saying "being intellectually dishonest" which is a nice way of saying "lying". heck, i could care less if people are "biased" - i think that's fine because *everyone* is biased in some way. "roger and me" was certainly /biased/, but i didn't discern any flat out lies or manipulative distortions. i thought it was a good film. bowling for columbine was when michael moore "jumped the shark" so to speak. i was very disappointed with this film because it was more than just simply biased. he fabricated things and made the audience believe they were true in order to manipulate them. i agree with jayce's statement comparing michael moore to ed decker. ed decker's *bias* isn't the problem with ed decker. and as for your opinions about the news media - yep, they are all biased on all sides. it's just the way it is. not such a big deal. (btw - "bias" by bernard goldberg is a great read) - but again, michael moore's *bias* isn't the problem with michael moore. also, soren, i don't mean to pick on you, but since you responded to my comments, i'll ask: dont you think michael moore is just a *mean* person? have you seen bowling for columbine? is f911 the only moore film you have watched? have you read his books? Josh Coates http://www.jcoates.org -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Soren Harward Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:39 PM To: BYU Unix Users Group Subject: Re: [uug] [OT] Michael Moore to speak at UVSC On Thu 16 Sep 2004 at 19:47:04, Josh Coates said: > where he started "making stuff up" to manipulate his audience, though i > understand the manipulation in f911 is not nearly as blatant (i dont plan on > seeing the film, so i really dont know.) This is an interesting statement I've heard many, many times about Michael Moore's films, especially F911. Just out of curiosity, how many people here *have* seen F911? If you don't want to admit it to the group, just email me off list. I'd be interested to see. I saw F911, enjoyed it a lot, and thought it was a very good film. Sure, some of his conclusions are a bit of a stretch, but the fact that some of the footage he uses even exists hints that he's on to something. The reason I don't have serious issues with Moore's bias -- despite the fact that I'm no fan of Bush either -- is that he's at least blatant and honest about it. Too many other media sources (::cough::foxnews::cough::) are similarly biased, but nevertheless make pretenses about being unbiased. Moore may or may not be manipulative and dishonest about his conclusions, but at least he isn't dishonest about his objective: to bring Bush down. The pro-Bush media may or may not be manipulative and dishonest about their conclusions, but they *are* dishonest about their objective: to parrot the party line and keep everyone else doing the same. -- Soren Harward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- http://theboard.byu.edu/ "Americans are always attempting to run away from conformity, but unfortunately they always start running in the same direction." -- Art Buchwald ____________________ BYU Unix Users Group http://uug.byu.edu/ ___________________________________________________________________ List Info: http://uug.byu.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uug-list
