On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Stuart Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Maybe the BYU ACM has changed since I was there, but I doubt it. I know
> it meets the expectations of many people; it wouldn't be a successful if
> it didn't. It just didn't meet mine.
>
> It might be possible to accept sponsorship without being a puppet, but
> my experience has been that most sponsored meetings involve a lot of
> marketing and much less learning. The UUG has had successful corporate
> sponsored meetings, for example when Byron and Dave brought pizza,
> talked about embedded development, and tried to recruit interns. But
> Byron and Dave were members first, corporate shills second. They came
> wanting to share something cool, not just market to a captive audience.
>
> I'd rather have a strong culture of freedom than free pizza.
>

When were you involved with the ACM?  We just got it restarted last fall
(the semester after I got to BYU).  I don't know when it died, but it must
have been 2-3 years ago, but  I'm not really sure, as records are a bit
jumbled...

At any rate, I am intrigued by this bit of knowledge.  I hope that
organizations with some form of sponsorship do not have the general tendency
to decay.  Unfortunately this is the case.  I will have to keep this in
mind.  Dixie's ACM chapter does not have this problem - they have been going
strong for 6 years now, and have survived 3-4 successions.  Then again, they
get $300 from the college per year, and (at least when I started it) the
only other thing we did was beg for prizes from local businesses.  We got
some $500-600 in prizes for the local high school and DSC programming
contests...

Quite seriously, I'm going to have to think about this a bit...

David
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