IMHO, let's not be Nazi's one way or the other. Take it for what it's worth rather than just say "I'm a flash hater" or "I'm an ad hater". Yes, it is flash. Yes, it catches your attention / distracts from the content. But, it's fairly simple and not a wild "I can't see the content through the ads" and it (purportedly) can fulfill a useful purpose - whether it be covering some costs of the group or donating to fsf.
I like relevant ads that actually entice me to click on them - so far that's only happened with google ads and a sparse number here and there. However, I think that our ads look relatively clean and someone visiting out site who has a good skill set and it interested in a new job might click on them - which could be good for everyone involved. I see it as a service both to us and those that happen across our site rather than a ploy to gain a few extra $$ for the group. However, in the case that it causes so much of a stir I think the right thing was done by disabling them for now - and of course it would be nice to know just how effective the ads are at generating a proceed from the time they've been posted until now. On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Kyle Mathews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To throw my two-bits in the debate -- here's how the Information System > department handles jobs. > https://island.byu.edu/jobs/118 > > Any student or alumni can post jobs as well as recruiters who request the > recruiter login info. New jobs are posted in a block on the front page. > Those interested in receiving notices about new jobs can sign up for email > notices or subscribe to the RSS feed. > > I don't mind having job postings on the UUG website but flash = ugly and I > like the job posting process to be transparent that anyone who wants to post > jobs can. > > > Kyle > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Stuart Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 22:11 -0500, Peter McNabb wrote: >> > One of the intentions of putting up the ads is that they are job >> > postings. They map 1:1 with real jobs that members of the UUG (many of >> > whom are in college and looking for future jobs) may be interested in >> > applying for. >> >> There are already many more useful resources BYU students can turn to to >> find jobs. If all you want is a generic job or a generic employee, why >> not just go to a job fair, visit Monster.com, or apply for an >> internship? >> >> What can the UUG do well that others can't? How about a single link to a >> page explaining to employers how to post jobs to the list. Prepare >> employers by describing the audience and culture of the UUG. If they >> want to try their luck posting ASP.Net jobs, let them. Maybe they're >> looking for people able to help them move to Mono on FreeBSD. By taking >> the time to target the message, they make themselves much more >> interesting than a tacky flash ad blindly broadcast to every Web site >> that'll have them. >> >> > We have the ability to select what types of jobs appear. If people are >> > extremely against showing a job for a java programmer, it's possible >> > to not list "java" jobs. The hosting company is relatively new and is >> > still making connections with potential employers. >> >> So it's tacky _and_ not very useful? Sweet! >> >> > As they continue to develop, we'll have more control over appearance >> > of job postings for better integration to the UUG site. I'm not >> > certain, but it may be possible to use plain html in place of flash. >> >> It had better be. I don't want tiny, ugly flash ads forced on people >> that aren't interested. I want a full dedicated page I can search and >> filter. It's fine to put a link on the front page that interested >> members can follow to a dedicated page. But a vertical flash banner on >> the home page just makes the UUG look pathetic. >> >> The UUG Web site isn't a personal site, it isn't a startup, and it isn't >> some toy project by a high school graduate. It's a .edu or .org, not >> a .com >> >> > The club has not collected any money, and we still need to determine >> > if we even want to do that. Something to consider is directly donating >> > any generated revenue to an organization of our choice. Why not donate >> > to the FSF as another way of showing our support for free software? >> > (https://www.fsf.org/associate/support_freedom) >> >> I could get behind that, but not as it was implemented with an ugly >> flash ad on the home page. The UUG should be providing resources to >> members. Maybe that includes helping members prepare for and find >> internships and employment after graduation. But I think we can better >> accomplish that with education than ads. >> >> The UUG shouldn't be helping some brand new company test its slow >> loading, tacky flash ad. No matter how many check boxes we can click to >> help them market to us. >> >> -------------------- >> BYU Unix Users Group >> http://uug.byu.edu/ >> >> The opinions expressed in this message are the responsibility of their >> author. They are not endorsed by BYU, the BYU CS Department or BYU-UUG. >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> List Info: http://uug.byu.edu/mailman/listinfo/uug-list >> > > > > -- > Research Assistant > eBusiness Center @ BYU > kyle.mathews2000.com/blog > -------------------- > BYU Unix Users Group > http://uug.byu.edu/ > > The opinions expressed in this message are the responsibility of their > author. They are not endorsed by BYU, the BYU CS Department or BYU-UUG. > ___________________________________________________________________ > List Info: http://uug.byu.edu/mailman/listinfo/uug-list > -- AJ ONeal
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