On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Stuart Jansen <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 00:13 -0700, Bryan Murdock wrote:
>> I can kind of see where you RHEL defenders are coming from for servers
>> (kind of), but try RHEL Workstation, where you do want extra packages
>> like git or a more recent python and it is teh suX0rz.  I say kind of
>> for servers because you might want to run subversion 1.5 because it
>> finally does merges somewhat correctly, or set up django, or ruby on
>> rails, and wo be unto you if so.  You start to wonder really quickly
>> what it is you are paying for.
>>
>> Ubuntu, even up through the latest 9.10 has been very good to me.
>
> If Ubuntu 9.10 can meet your needs, you shouldn't have been using RHEL.

I totally agree with you there!  Your other mail about system admins
vs. programmers is so very true.  I worked at HP for a long time (and
used hpux even!) and though our admins were generally very
understanding of engineers, they also displayed a lot of what you
describe.  I think the tension between admins and engineers is
generally a good thing.

> A workstation isn't a desktop. As a general rule of thumb, if the user
> of a system has the root password, that isn't a workstation.

So far I've never worked at a company where IT wanted that much
control (or responsibility) over engineering workstations.  I have
always had root access on the machine on my desk.

> (BTW, Subversion? You're complaining about old software and you're still
> using Subversion?!)

lol!  I'm trying, but hardware engineers have some things in common
with system administrators.

Bryan
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