VACList DigestVACList-Digest Wednesday, August 21, 2002 Issue 401
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Replacement Refrigerator
2. Re: Replacement Refrigerator
3. Frame separation in a '67 22' Safari
4. Caulking Question
5. Re: Replacement Refrigerator
6. New internal wood
7. Rocky Mountain Rally report
8. Re: Replacement Refrigerator
9. Re: Caulking Question
10. Re: Replacement Refrigerator
11. Re: we live in our 67 safari, it's nice!
12. Airstream Caravans DVD
13. Re: Replacement Refrigerator
14. Re: Replacement Refrigerator
15. Vintage Airstream trailer for sale
16. wandering van update
17. Re: we live in our 67 safari, it's nice!
18. VAC List
19. Re: we live in our 67 safari, it's nice!
20. Airstream modification
21. No one to ask
22. Re: Replacement Refrigerator
23. Re: No one to ask
24. Re: we live in our 67 safari, it's nice!
25. Never stop asking why.
26. Re: Replacement Refrigerator
27. Refrigerators
28. Re: Replacement Refrigerator
29. Re: wandering van update
30. Re: Replacement Refrigerator
31. Re: Refrigerators
32. Re: New internal wood
33. Re: No one to ask
34. 67' Globe Trotter
35. HUD Job Final Report
36. Re: Vintage Airstream trailer for sale
37. Re: 67' Globe Trotter
38. Re: we live in our 67 safari, it's nice!
39. Re: 67' Globe Trotter
40. Re: Replacement Refrigerator
41. OBX Rally Photos
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Message Number: 1
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:20:22 -0400
From: Alexis Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacement Refrigerator
I really need to learn about refrigerators...all I know now is that mine
doesn't seem to work....but I haven't been able to get it level either and I
understand that's important. Would I hear something from it if I plug it in
if it's going to work even if it doesn cool?
Do they all work with ammonia? Will the still work on gas while traveling
if unlevel like up hills? Are they so expensive due to the running on gas?
Lexxey...
Dave, I replaced the Dometic fridge in my Tradewind. On my trailer, it was
an easy RR to do. I removed the panel/bulkhead on the immediate left as you
enter the door. That made it easy to remove the screws through the fridge
base into the floor.
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Message Number: 2
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:02:08 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacement Refrigerator
on 08/20/02 9:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I really need to learn about refrigerators...all I know now is that mine
> doesn't seem to work....but I haven't been able to get it level either and I
> understand that's important.
Here's a website to try on for size:
http://www.rvmobile.com/TECH/TROUBLE/gassys.htm
Terry
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Message Number: 3
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:06:45 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Frame separation in a '67 22' Safari
on 08/19/02 8:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> If there's no evidence of frame separation now, and you tow carefully,
> minimize weight in the rear, I think you'll be fine. My guess is that shorter
> trailers such as the 22 are much less susceptible.
>
Hi Dan,
Your comments mirrored my experience for 15 years UNTIL I added a second
battery to our 1967 22' Safari. That occurred when the Tim Allen part of my
ego got the better of me. I wanted more power. The problem with more
electrical power meant more weight. Another battery was placed alongside
the original battery. Unfortunately, that weight was enough to break one of
the stringers extending out from the frame beneath the batteries.
All would have been fine after I had that stringer re-welded ($25) at a
horse trailer welding shop in Wyoming on a blistering hot Summer's day,
EXCEPT I didn't know rust had begun to eat through the top portion of the
frame near that stringer.
After another three years of towing this Airstream around the mountains in
New England, the Rockies and across the continent twice, the frame decided
enough was enough and began to bend (imperceptably at first), which in turn,
allowed the shell to separate from the frame at the rear - on the street
side. For a year, I tried to ignore it and to deny the gap was widening.
Sometimes, I can be stubborn about choosing to be blind to the obvious.
Finally last month, I asked the Airstream dealer in Cedar Falls, Iowa
(Fogdall) to straighten the frame's slight bend, to weld the break shut and
to reinforce the underside of the frame on both sides. The curb side was
reinforced for continuity in spite of no separation being evident.
To reinforce the frame, the serviceman (Noel) used an additional 3' long by
4" wide iron strengthener plate on each side, attaching them to the main
frame and the factory original 3' strengthener plate in the axle area.
Also, he hand crafted two 18" X 2" metal strips (shaped like a long, tall
letter L) and attached them to the frame (inside the shell). These hold the
shell tight against the frame. They were positioned directly at the rear of
the shell where it mated with the frame. How did he do it?
No cutting of aluminum skin was involved. The existing rivets were removed
where the curved portion of skin was connected to flat skin at the rear
compartment door border. This gave him access to tenderly pull the curved
portion of skin away from the flat part without bending the aluminum. His
hands could then reach inside and attach the metal strips to each frame.
With that done, he re-connected the curved and flat pieces of aluminum with
olympic rivets and secured the strips to the shell with 12 olympic
rivets on each side. The job was done without a single wrinkle or blemish in
the skin. Piece of cake, you say? Maybe, but it required considerable
attention to detail, planning, having the right tools, knowing exactly what
he was doing and having only one day's worth of time in which to do it.
Looking at the fix from the outside, the additional 3' frame strengtheners
are barely discernable when I shine a flash light up under the frame. When
looking directly at the rear of the trailer, there is an 18" high double row
of 12 rivets directly above the frame on each side where the two strips of
metal are attached inside the shell and anchored to the frame.
The olympic rivets are polished to match all other rivets on the trailer.
Only someone familiar with Airstreams would notice the rivet pattern.
Since Iowa, I've towed this trailer across the continent to our property in
Upstate New York. Some of the mid western Interstate highways were rough and
bouncy even at 40 mph. Even so, the vulcum seam of caulk across the rear
(between the shell and the frame) is still solid with no evidence of
parting. When I stand on the bumper and jump up and down, the entire trailer
moves as one solid unit.
Why am I mentioning all this? Simple. In my opinion, frame separation is not
sufficient reason to get rid of a trailer or to think less of it or to
discount it as a potential purchace. The fix is straight forward and it
results in the trailer becoming considerably stronger than when first built.
A few hundred dollars to have this job done is peanuts compared to what I've
spent on other aspects of this restoration.
Now - with the frame correctly repaired - the Safari easily handles the
weight of two batteries behind the streetside wheel. The many interior
modifications I've made over the years will last even longer on their newly
solid platform. And....., next Spring when we bring the Safari home from
P&S with a mirror shine, it'll be the cat's meow in all respects (for us).
BUT - best of all, we can confidently continue our exciting lifestyle of
exploring unexpected byways around the country. Like many Airstreamers,
we're inclined to drive down any old dirt or bumpy road in our search for
lost gold mines and hidden treasures.
Wally Byam used to say something to the effect that his Airstreams would
follow any tow vehicle on any road the owner wished to take it. We'll
continue to do just that - especially now that our frame and shell are
mated more strongly than when originally manufactured.
Terry
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Fix it right the first time - enjoy it a lifetime." So says me.
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Message Number: 4
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:06:23 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Caulking Question
There are small openings around pipes and wheel wells that would allow
critters in. I've ordered Vulkem to caulk the exterior seams but wonder what
to use to caulk these interior openings. What is commonly used?
Jeanne
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Message Number: 5
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:24:23 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Karl F. Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacement Refrigerator
You will hear nothing if you plug it into 120 VAC because that is an
electric heater element that heats the system right near where the gas
burner heats. It takes several hours before you can tell if the electric
part is working, and it doesn't matter if your not level.
When you use gas you need to switch to gas and light the burner.
The Refrig. needs to be very level or the gas flame will miss the place
it needs to heat.
While driving your not supposed to have your gas turned on. If
you live in the desert you turn on one tank and light just the Refrig.
and try hard not to have an accident. While driving the trailer,
properly rigged stays pretty level on level road.
On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Alexis Evans wrote:
> I really need to learn about refrigerators...all I know now is that mine
> doesn't seem to work....but I haven't been able to get it level either and I
> understand that's important. Would I hear something from it if I plug it in
> if it's going to work even if it doesn cool?
>
> Do they all work with ammonia? Will the still work on gas while traveling
> if unlevel like up hills? Are they so expensive due to the running on gas?
>
> Lexxey...
>
>
>
>
> Dave, I replaced the Dometic fridge in my Tradewind. On my trailer, it was
> an easy RR to do. I removed the panel/bulkhead on the immediate left as you
> enter the door. That made it easy to remove the screws through the fridge
> base into the floor.
>
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 6
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:29:07 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Karl F. Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: New internal wood
I have a 1976 23 foot Land thingy and the bad roads in New
Mexico have weakened the wood structure with the kitchen sink, 4 burner
stove and under this is the hot water heater, space heater, and water
pump.
Is there anywhere I can buy a new wood structure like this?
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Message Number: 7
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:31:36 -0700
From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Rocky Mountain Rally report
The report and photos of last weeks Vintage Rally in Estes Park Colorado
is on the VAC website. Check it out - looks like fun was had by all...
http://www.airstream.org/rallies/02-RM/index-RM.html
RJ
VAC Webmaster
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Message Number: 8
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:44:02 -0400
From: Alexis Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacement Refrigerator
I don't want to sound dumb but you mean you don't run thr refrig while
driving?
I guess it stays cool enough until you get parked then you light the gas or
plug it in?
I have only been in one other airstream before buying one...I know nothing
about these things and have no one to ask. I have never camped in an rv
either only a sailboat with a cooler. My husband is saying we might not
need fancy things like pumps and frigs and hot water and I think he should
just stay in his tent!!! If we're going to have an airstream it should be
equipped right!!!
Lexxey..
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Message Number: 9
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:54:15 -0600
From: "gshippen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Caulking Question
Hi Jeanne, I used expanding spray foam insulation in the large spaces in the
wheel wells. It is available at your hardware store. So far it seems to
have turned the mice. Good luck.
GAS
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Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 8:06 PM
Subject: [VAC] Caulking Question
> There are small openings around pipes and wheel wells that would allow
> critters in. I've ordered Vulkem to caulk the exterior seams but wonder
what
> to use to caulk these interior openings. What is commonly used?
>
> Jeanne
>
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Message Number: 10
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:56:20 -0700
From: "Richard P. Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacement Refrigerator
> It takes several hours before you can tell if the electric
>part is working, and it doesn't matter if your not level.
Don't believe this. Go and read the stuff at the site Terry Tyler gave
you. You'll find that the fridge operates on the same principle whether
electric or gas heat is used. If your fridge is much off level, then you
will develop a block in the flow of the ammonia/hydrogen mixture used in
this kind of refrigeration.,
>The Refrig. needs to be very level or the gas flame will miss the place
>it needs to heat.
The fridge needs to be level, true but for a very different reason. No
matter, the important thing is that is needs to be level (whether you're
using gas OR electric; don't ask how I know this.)
Many recommend that you do not drive with the gas on. If you do, it would
be prudent to turn it off while re-fueling. The constant jiggling of the
fridge while traveling will keep the refrigerant lines clear and the
refrigerant circulating.
Dick
(5368)
"To every man is given the key to open the gates of heaven;
The same key opens the gates of hell." - Buddhist saying
Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368 23' 1972 LY Safari, 28' 1995 Classic Excella
Atlanta
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.mindspring.com/~as5368/
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Message Number: 11
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:05:57 -0500
From: "Todd McDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: we live in our 67 safari, it's nice!
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Message Number: 12
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:57:01 -0700
From: Jack Honeycutt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Airstream Caravans DVD
At 10:14 PM 8/15/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Jack:
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> Here is the message I posted a few weeks ago on
>the new VAC DVD. It has not yet been posted on
>our
>web site, but read on to learn how to order it.
Thanks for the info. I just ordered the CDs.
jack in Portland Oregon
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Message Number: 13
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:31:49 -0600
From: "Maxwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacement Refrigerator
It's best to cool it down the night before, put in your cold/frozen items
and then turn it off once you are ready to hit the road & while driving.
It's insulated well enough to stay cold as long as you don't open the door a
bunch.
You know all those little signs at the gas stations regarding open flames &
smoking? Imagine pulling in there with your propane pilot light on in your
fridge...won't explode everytime, but once would ruin your day!
Shari
'64 GlobeTrotter
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Message Number: 14
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 04:08:05 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacement Refrigerator
Hey Carl,
Beg to disagree about the off level flame missing it's mark and the electric
can run
off level. A good way to shorten the life of the refrigerator. Newer
refrigerators have design changes that allow more off-level operation, but
it's still a good idea to always keep the trailer level when parked and
running the refrigerator. While traveling, the movement allows the coolant
to return.
There's a decent web site that explains the whole system, but I don't recall
it's address. Should be an easy search to find it.
I think of the heated chimney, electric or propane, as a still
that evaporates the ammonia from the aqueous condensed solution that feeds
into the bottom of the still. I've read that hydrogen is part of the
mixture and that the difference in vapor pressures moves the coolant through
the refrigerator. Something about gas laws involving partial
pressures. Then, back through the very large condenser coils.
When the unit is run off-level, the ammonia mixture stays in the upper
regions of the condenser and most likely crystallizes. Sometimes, inverting
the refrigerator and allowing the liquid in the lower reservoir to flow into
the upper regions dissolves the stuff and the refrigerator will work again.
Then, I've heard few comments that this works frequently. A lot of work! :(
Regards, '69 Safari, Joy
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Message Number: 15
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:36:28 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Vintage Airstream trailer for sale
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Message Number: 16
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:46:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: jon fitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: wandering van update
We finally took our van back to the alignment place.
They rechecked it and said that everything is to
specifications. However, there is no doubt that the
thing tracks terribly now compared to before the
alignment. On the other hand, there was excessive
tire wear before. But it was in the middle of the
tires, despite fairly low running pressures.
In accordance with previous advice, I also made sure
they checked the caster and camber. They said they
didn't change these the first time (there is an extra
charge if they do) and that both are also in spec.
The toe-in is supposedly at 0.06". To me, this seems
kind of low. Does anyone know if this is correct?
Also, when checked with a rigid tape measure, the
front end seems as though it is actually toed out
slightly. I know that tape measurements are iffy, but
I'm only using the thing as a comparator in a locked
position.
It's kind of frustrating to be stuck on tow vehicle
problems instead of restoring the unit itself! Please
help!
Jon in SC
68 Overlander
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Message Number: 17
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:02:47 -0400
From: Alexis Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: we live in our 67 safari, it's nice!
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by the way...we are well into middle age and are having the brakes fixed
today!!!
Lexxey...and all my stuff is at: http://www.flummoxed.org/lexxey/index.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Todd McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:06 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: we live in our 67 safari, it's nice!
I'm not so internet saavy with picts and all but got 2 ideas for your
floor plan
forget that fold out table assembly-- especially if there is water damage
to the support from missing window. I saved ours for our A/S museum and
feel tha that a card table is lighter, more stable, and versatile (as it
can be used outdoors in nice weather. )
Your bathroom door appears to "aaaccordiaon" (spelling error, but I refer
to my favorite Zydeco-Cajun instrument after the washhboard and spoons)
Check out the factory sliding into the slott door, ours is sweet and
space-saving. Ask your favorite Airstream rep for details.
Dr. Geralld told me to smear NOALOX aluminum antioxident all over our
Safari and it looks funny but has U.V. protection off the hook!!?! My sig-O
has made curtains today. Do not drive with no brakes ever again- yours are
not the only lives at risk and I hope to reach middle age....
tod47d
dw >From: Alexis Evans
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Todd McDonald
>Subject: RE: we live in our 67 safari, it's nice!
>Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:27:03 -0400
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>no message came across
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>Lexxey...and all my stuff is at:
http://www.flummoxed.org/lexxey/index.htm
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<P><FONT size=2>Lexxey...and all my stuff is at: </FONT><FONT size=2><A
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<DIV>
<P>I'm not so internet saavy with picts and all but got 2 ideas for your floor
plan</P>
<P>forget that fold out table assembly-- especially if there is water damage
to the support from missing window. I saved ours for our A/S museum and
feel tha that a card table is lighter, more stable, and
versatile (as it can be used outdoors in nice weather. ) </P>
<P>Your bathroom door appears to "aaaccordiaon" (spelling error, but I refer
to my favorite Zydeco-Cajun instrument after the washhboard and
spoons) Check out the factory sliding into the slott door, ours is sweet
and space-saving. Ask your favorite Airstream rep for details.</P>
<P>Dr. Geralld told me to smear NOALOX aluminum antioxident all over our
Safari and it looks funny but has U.V. protection off the hook!!?!
My sig-O has made curtains today. Do not drive with no brakes ever
again- yours are not the only lives at risk and I hope to reach middle
age.... <BR> &n
tod47d <BR></P>dw >From: Alexis Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>>no message came across
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http://www.flummoxed.org/lexxey/index.htm
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:57:39 -0500
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Subject: VAC List
Hi!
My name is "MagicBrad" and I am new to the VAC list.
I just bought a 1977 Argosy 28' Motorhome. I just replaced
the rear bath plumbing (it froze and split the copper).
My next projects are the Gas and the Generator. Does anyone
have any insight and experience that they can share?
"MagicBrad"
Minneapolis, MN
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Message Number: 19
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:02:13 -0400
From: Alexis Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: we live in our 67 safari, it's nice!
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we want to put some sort of a folding door there...almost like a heavy
curtain...I will make from something like upholstery fabric on a rod with
sliders...we have the sliding door hole but no door and we don't like the
space it takes up. We already took that wall out. We did dump that table
and will try to sell it on ebay....you never know. I saw the toilet we
threw out forsale there. We also will try to sell the 2 gaucho beds but
don't want to have to send them anywhere.
Thanks for writing/////where are you?
Lexxey...and all my stuff is at: http://www.flummoxed.org/lexxey/index.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Todd McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:06 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: we live in our 67 safari, it's nice!
I'm not so internet saavy with picts and all but got 2 ideas for your
floor plan
forget that fold out table assembly-- especially if there is water damage
to the support from missing window. I saved ours for our A/S museum and
feel tha that a card table is lighter, more stable, and versatile (as it
can be used outdoors in nice weather. )
Your bathroom door appears to "aaaccordiaon" (spelling error, but I refer
to my favorite Zydeco-Cajun instrument after the washhboard and spoons)
Check out the factory sliding into the slott door, ours is sweet and
space-saving. Ask your favorite Airstream rep for details.
Dr. Geralld told me to smear NOALOX aluminum antioxident all over our
Safari and it looks funny but has U.V. protection off the hook!!?! My sig-O
has made curtains today. Do not drive with no brakes ever again- yours are
not the only lives at risk and I hope to reach middle age....
tod47d
dw >From: Alexis Evans
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Todd McDonald
>Subject: RE: we live in our 67 safari, it's nice!
>Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:27:03 -0400
>
>no message came across
>
>Lexxey...and all my stuff is at:
http://www.flummoxed.org/lexxey/index.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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<DIV><SPAN class=914365713-21082002><FONT face=Tahoma color=#008080>we want to
put some sort of a folding door there...almost like a heavy curtain...I will
make from something like upholstery fabric on a rod with sliders...we have the
sliding door hole but no door and we don't like the space it takes up. We
already took that wall out. We did dump that table and will try to sell it
on ebay....you never know. I saw the toilet we threw out forsale there. We
also will try to sell the 2 gaucho beds but don't want to have to send them
anywhere.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=914365713-21082002><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#008080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=914365713-21082002><FONT face=Tahoma color=#008080>Thanks for
writing/////where are you?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#008080></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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target=_blank
href="http://www.flummoxed.org/lexxey/index.htm";>http://www.flummoxed.org/lexxey/index.htm</A>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Todd
McDonald<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:06 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
Multiple recipients of VACList<BR><B>Subject:</B> [VAC] Re: we live in our 67
safari, it's nice!<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P>I'm not so internet saavy with picts and all but got 2 ideas for your floor
plan</P>
<P>forget that fold out table assembly-- especially if there is water damage
to the support from missing window. I saved ours for our A/S museum and
feel tha that a card table is lighter, more stable, and
versatile (as it can be used outdoors in nice weather. ) </P>
<P>Your bathroom door appears to "aaaccordiaon" (spelling error, but I refer
to my favorite Zydeco-Cajun instrument after the washhboard and
spoons) Check out the factory sliding into the slott door, ours is sweet
and space-saving. Ask your favorite Airstream rep for details.</P>
<P>Dr. Geralld told me to smear NOALOX aluminum antioxident all over our
Safari and it looks funny but has U.V. protection off the hook!!?!
My sig-O has made curtains today. Do not drive with no brakes ever
again- yours are not the only lives at risk and I hope to reach middle
age.... <BR> &n
tod47d <BR></P>dw >From: Alexis Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: we live in our 67 safari, it's nice!
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<DIV></DIV>>no message came across
<DIV></DIV>>
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http://www.flummoxed.org/lexxey/index.htm
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:05:58 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Airstream modification
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Thought you folks would like to see the pictures of a modified Airstream =
that were sent to me. I have already advised Jonathan that I doubt that =
this is a factory option. His message follows:
"Tom,
My partner and I just bought a 1963 26' Overlander with a built in=20
Motorcycle ramp and storage area. The panel below the window opposite =
the=20
entry door drops down, the window raises and you can ride your =
motorcycle=20
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tire of=20
the motorcycle to rest in to avoid tipping. Could this be a original=20
factory option or was this done by a previous owner?
Thanks
Scot"
The pictures are at the following links:
http://www.tompatterson.com/VAC/i-1_B_L.jpg
http://www.tompatterson.com/VAC/i-2_B_L.jpg
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<DIV>"Tom,<BR>My partner and I just bought a 1963 26' Overlander with a =
built in=20
<BR>Motorcycle ramp and storage area. The panel below the window =
opposite=20
the <BR>entry door drops down, the window raises and you can ride your=20
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the door=20
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Could this=20
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owner?<BR><BR>Thanks<BR><BR>Scot"</DIV>
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links:</FONT></DIV>
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href=3D"http://www.tompatterson.com/VAC/i-1_B_L.jpg";>http://www.tompatter=
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Message Number: 21
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:25:07 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: No one to ask
on 08/20/02 10:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have only been in one other airstream before buying one...I know nothing
> about these things and have no one to ask. I have never camped in an rv
> either only a sailboat with a cooler. My husband is saying we might not need
> fancy things like pumps and frigs and hot water and I think he should just
> stay in his tent!!! If we're going to have an airstream it should be equipped
> right!!!
>
Hi Lexxxy,
Here are three sources for solid information on RVing and Airstreams.
Now that you are a member of this VAC egroup list, you are hereby officially
invited to become acquainted with hundreds of other Airstreamers on this
list whom you can ask any question at all about restoring these fine old
vehicles. See how easy that was? From here on, you will always have someone
to ask.
You've come to the right group for ammunition to furnish a tent or a Vintage
Airstream. <grin>
Terry
1967 22' Airstream Safari and
ADK-46R w/backpack and tent
#################################
1 - Phred's "poop sheets" offer some of the best advice I've found on the
net. It's light reading, it's informative and has an abundance of common
sense. My suggestion is you read all of this sheets. It may take awhile
(even with speed reading) but will be time well spent.
http://www.phrannie.org/phredex.html
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2 - Tom has archived all of the messages from both the Vintage Airstream and
Airstream list. There are close to 40,000 pages in a search data base on
this website. The search feature is easy to use and can save hours when you
want to learn something technical relating to Airstreams.
http://www.tompatterson.com/Streamline/Airstreamlist/Correspondence2.html.
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3 - This web site has a wealth of fascinating historical data as well as
current information on exciting activities sponsored by the Vintage
Airstream Club (VAC).
It includes specific names with email addresses of Airstream owners
(VAC Officers) who volunteer their time and talents to make VAC the most
enthusiastic and active group of Airstream owners in the world. The more
times you visit this site, the more adventures you'll see.
http://www.airstream.net/contacts.html
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Message Number: 22
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:52:40 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Replacement Refrigerator
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I t makes no sence to me that a y fridge made for use in a travel trailes or
RV would need to be in a level situtation to operate the very natute of many
camp site makr it almost impossable to level the unit. in both directions. My
ida of level is so that i dont need sea legs to walf inside of the trailer or
that i dontroll out of bed.the last camp site we were in I had the toung jack
all the way down and the trailer was now where near level. The Gas fridge
died an early death and has been replaced with an elictric unit that is not
so fussy.also the elect unit is much mors efficent andonly cost a couple of
hundred as compaired what a gas unit costs.
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Message Number: 23
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:57:28 -0400
From: Alexis Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: No one to ask
"See how easy that was? From here on, you will always have someone
to ask.
You've come to the right group for ammunition to furnish a tent or a Vintage
Airstream. <grin>
Terry"
Thanks...I really am enjoying all the info here even if I can't process some
of it yet. It's just frustrating...wanting to understand it all faster than
my brain can absorb it...like all that reading I compulsively did on ABS
plasic. I'm going to have to take obsessive/compulsive meds if I keep this
up!!! I am just so interested in this Airstream my eyes are blurry from
reading the net when my husband comes home in the pm !!!
What do you call this, and am I the only one??? Is this the support
group??? Are others this afflicted at first?
I do have a tendency to become too absorbed when I am enjoying a subject. We
have redone furniture and cabinets and an old 50's house so this is sort of
a next step. Now yall can see where I'm coming from and have patience with
me!
The refrig just wasn't in the budget, and was supposed to work, and now I'm
going to have to ask Santa for one!
We are already getting brakes and bodywork for our sept and oct birthdays!!!
At our age who needs more jewels and perfume...I'd rather have tools and
hobby/leisure stuff!!!
Lexxey...and all my stuff is at: http://www.flummoxed.org/lexxey/index.htm
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Message Number: 24
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:02:21 -0400
From: Alexis Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: we live in our 67 safari, it's nice!
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ooops..I apologise to the list...I thought this was a personal email...I
will watch it...
Lexxey...
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Message Number: 25
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:46:20 -0700
From: "Richard McFarland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Never stop asking why.
>
> The "what happening" in your case is easy to see. The "why" is the elusive
> part. Therefore, unfortunately, all the possibilities should be examined.
>
> Andy
> inlandrv.com
> airstreamparts.com
>
So true!
All too often we fix "what we see" and try to get back to what we were doing
as quickly as possible....and we forget to ask ourselves "why" did that
happen.
It is so important to take as broad a look as possible at things - and
determine if we see the bigger picture...and ask ourselves - are we
doing everything necessary to fix a problem or problems?
Obviously... everyone has to deal with their own personal version of
"patience-versus-I wanted it done yesterday"....
However - it only makes sense that the more we look at things objectively
today - the
more prepared we'll be for whatever happens tomorrow.
(being prepared does not guarantee things won't happen - you'll just be
better equipped to handle it)
(for what it's worth - in my case...that means my blood pressure will be
happier...and I'll be happier...and I'll approach a situation that needs
maintenance/fixing with a more objective approach)
(or - to put it another way - I'd rather approach a maintenance situation -
that I'd done everything I could think of to prevent... with the
understanding that - oh well....no matter what one does...mechanical systems
of all types eventually need something ).
Another thing to keep in mind - just because a product is well made -
or at least made better than the competition - does
not guarantee that it won't have it's own issues. It simply requires
getting to
know them as best one can - and then learning how to live with them.
Wally Byam was a character...as we well know. He obviously was born to be
a salesman - he also had a huge interest in creating a top product
within the boundaries of a market that was hungry for travel products. He
also was an International Ambassador. To be an Ambassador requires an
understanding of Diplomacy.
Curious...since being diplomatic requires an understanding of salesmanship!
So
all in all it's no surprise he became so well known and that his legacy has
endured.
Safe and Happy Travels. RL
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Message Number: 26
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:07:43 -0400
From: "Elisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacement Refrigerator
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I am needing a fridge and agree that most camping places are NOT level! =
What brand did you end up using?
Elisa
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I t makes no sence to me that a y fridge made for use in a travel =
trailes or RV would need to be in a level situtation to operate the very =
natute of many camp site makr it almost impossable to level the unit. in =
both directions. My ida of level is so that i dont need sea legs to walf =
inside of the trailer or that i dontroll out of bed.the last camp site =
we were in I had the toung jack all the way down and the trailer was now =
where near level. The Gas fridge died an early death and has been =
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is much mors efficent andonly cost a couple of hundred as compaired what =
a gas unit costs.
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080>Jim,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080>I am needing a fridge and agree that most =
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using?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Elisa</DIV>
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<P align=3Dcenter><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">I t makes no=20
sence to me that a y fridge made for use in a travel trailes or RV =
would need=20
to be in a level situtation to operate the very natute of many camp =
site makr=20
it almost impossable to level the unit. in both directions. My ida of =
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out of bed.the last camp site we were in I had the toung jack all the =
way down=20
and the trailer was now where near level. The Gas fridge died an early =
death=20
and has been replaced with an elictric unit that is not so fussy.also =
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Message Number: 27
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:58:03 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Refrigerators
on 08/21/02 10:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> What do you call this, and am I the only one??? Is this the support
> group??? Are others this afflicted at first?
All of us on the VAC list have some degree of affliction. Of course, there
are others of us who have been on an Airstream high for decades.
>The refrig just wasn't in the budget, and was supposed to work, and now I'm
> going to have to ask Santa for one!
Lexxy - if you want to stay with a fridge that operates on both propane and
electric, the replacement cooling units can be purchased from:
Midwest Products
1102 Avenue of Industry
Corning, Iowa 50841
800.331.7698
http://www.mwpcool.com/
New topic.
If you haven't been saving email posts that particularly interest you, it
might be worthwhile.
Terry
1963 22' Flying Cloud with 1975 Mercury Station Wagon
1967 22' Safari with 1987 GMC Suburban
1977 31' Excella 500 with 1978 Ford Van E-250
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Message Number: 28
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:24:32 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Replacement Refrigerator
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It is a small kenmore I also bough a deep freeze the same size it is a GE
both were made in mexico. We freeze bottled water in the freezer andctransfer
to the fridge when travling. It worked well on our 4 month trip.
Jim Smith
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Message Number: 29
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:33:25 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: wandering van update
Jack up the front end by the frame, not the lower A arms and check for
tie rod looseness. The ball joints will probably be loose with things
hanging, there's a procedure specified for checking including where to
jack, but check for looseness all around the front end with the wheels
hanging. You may find loose upper and lower arm bushings, loose tie rod
ends, loose center tie rod support bar (has a better name but it escapes
me), and loose steering gear. In the ideal situation any steering motion
of a wheel will be perfectly matched by the other wheel and the steering
wheel. In the worn world that's not the case, and the more the slack the
more bothersome the steering. I had terrible tire wear on the front of
my old 1 ton truck and thought it was everything but tie rod ends. When
I checked them for looseness with the tires on the ground they were
tight. When I lifted that front axle (beastly heavy) with a jack and
checked tie rod ends, I immediately replaced them and then after a
proper alignment the tires stopped wearing rapidly.
. .06 is 1/16", and is a typical toe in specification. But the shop manual
for your van will be specific about what the toe in should be. I don't
have that shop manual. Just enough so that the drag loading gets the
tires very nearly parallel. If you find differences after stopping going
forward or stopping going backwards, there's stuff loose in the steering
and suspension that have to be fixed to prevent tire wear and wandering.
To make accurate tape measure checks, lift the wheel off the ground, and
spin the wheel by hand while a knife point or scribe makes a mark on the
tread all the way around. Do that to both tires, then measure from the
scribe mark instead of tread what may not be true. Sometimes a tire is
made with a spiral belt and there's no alignment that will make it roll
true. It will pull, even on a back axle.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 30
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:33:30 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacement Refrigerator
It may be nonsensical that a RV refrigerator has to be leveled perfectly
for operation but for the vintage refrigerators that was the case. It
was demanded by the design and construction of the refrigerant plumbing,
not convenience of use. Long term use without the near perfect leveling
does kill them. That's the cost of freedom from electric hookups. Most
recent gas RV refrigerators are a bit more tolerant of out of level
operations.
I suspect a 12 volt compressor type refrigerator would run on half the
electric power of the 12 volt operated absorption refrigerator but would
not run on LP at all.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 31
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:06:41 -0400
From: Alexis Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Refrigerators
"New topic.
If you haven't been saving email posts that particularly interest you, it
might be worthwhile.Terry"
OH... Terry...Half my computer [it seems] is divided into files having to do
with this trailer stuff...I may seem scatterbrained...and actually I am but
I don't have confidense in my memory at all and save many things in folders.
But about the cooling units...you mean I can possibly replace the guts and
not the whole thing? I looked at the site and it sounds too good to be
true...I slapped that baby on my favorites...thanks a bunch!!!
If I can rewire a house I can do a frig!!! I'm just that cheap!!! 'course I
was a lot poorer and younger back then!!!
Lexxey...
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Message Number: 32
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:16:34 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New internal wood
Hi Karl, is it really a wood cabinet ?
I doubt you can buy a whole new one, but it can probably be strengthend
if well attached to the body of the trailer. Or maybe you need some
bracing under there...i wonder if the floor needs attention...
Daisy "73 with no wood under the sink...
"Karl F. Larsen" wrote:
>
> I have a 1976 23 foot Land thingy and the bad roads in New
> Mexico have weakened the wood structure with the kitchen sink, 4 burner
> stove and under this is the hot water heater, space heater, and water
> pump.
>
> Is there anywhere I can buy a new wood structure like this?
>
> --
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Message Number: 33
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:24:20 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: No one to ask
Hey Lexxy
Did you know that the fridge takes a long time to get cold ? Like hours
? Don't give up on it, take the trailer to any RV place for a look see,
but don't let them sell you a new one unless it really doesn't work...
Daisy
Alexis Evans wrote:
>
> "See how easy that was? From here on, you will always have someone
> to ask.
> You've come to the right group for ammunition to furnish a tent or a Vintage
> Airstream. <grin>
> Terry"
>
> Thanks...I really am enjoying all the info here even if I can't process some
> of it yet. It's just frustrating...wanting to understand it all faster than
> my brain can absorb it...like all that reading I compulsively did on ABS
> plasic. I'm going to have to take obsessive/compulsive meds if I keep this
> up!!! I am just so interested in this Airstream my eyes are blurry from
> reading the net when my husband comes home in the pm !!!
>
> What do you call this, and am I the only one??? Is this the support
> group??? Are others this afflicted at first?
>
> I do have a tendency to become too absorbed when I am enjoying a subject. We
> have redone furniture and cabinets and an old 50's house so this is sort of
> a next step. Now yall can see where I'm coming from and have patience with
> me!
>
> The refrig just wasn't in the budget, and was supposed to work, and now I'm
> going to have to ask Santa for one!
>
> We are already getting brakes and bodywork for our sept and oct birthdays!!!
> At our age who needs more jewels and perfume...I'd rather have tools and
> hobby/leisure stuff!!!
>
> Lexxey...and all my stuff is at: http://www.flummoxed.org/lexxey/index.htm
>
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Message Number: 34
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:41:16 -0400
From: "Red" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 67' Globe Trotter
Well I am into about my 18th month of refurbishment on this old neglected
gal. Thousands of dollars and about as many hours of labor and I can say "I
will only stop when it is finished". To date the plywood floor has been
replaced as well as all the old aluminum wiring and insulation top to
bottom. The woodwork has been completely refinished as well as a new
counter top and some cabinet modifications, and all the plumbing (supply and
drain-waste-vent all new). Just completed the installation of the new
laminate flooring.
The only conclusion that I can come to is that I am insane. Why does a
person feel so compelled to take on such a project and be driven in such a
manner? Who knows. It has been to quote many a "labor of love". I feel
that only when this old beauty is in pristine condition, polished and ready
for use will the void be filled. I have a feeling that many of you share
this "Need to do"scenario. Oh well life is short and if we can derive
contentment and happiness from such an endeavor, what the heck. Go
Airstream! Red
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Message Number: 35
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:54:21 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HUD Job Final Report
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The long running job is now done and I would like to share what went =
down. First, I was involved on a day by day basis with the contractor. =
He is a Austrian who uses his entire family as the work force. They all =
knew their parts and did them with quality.
During the job we removed over 600 pounds of weight from the coach. The =
biggest reduction was the A/C, which we ended up cutting up to remove. =
It was replaced with a Fantastic Fan Create a Breeze which is doing a =
great job evacuating the summer heat. I was pleasantly surprised to =
find that the wall covering was intact under the interior shroud of the =
A/C. All it took was a little Simple Green and some Stainless Steel =
wool and it came clean like new. I have one round exhaust hole to patch =
and would appreciate any good ideas for how to blend to the stock wall =
covering.
I removed the old vinyl asbestos tile myself a while back. I also =
removed the old Suburban Furnace as well as a second furnace that was in =
the bathroom floor. =20
After shopping around and looking at everything from cork to parquet I =
chose Armstrong's textured commercial tile called "Safety Zone". It was =
expensive at $2 per square foot but well worth it. It is easy to clean =
and very comfy to walk on.
The bathroom plumbing was a mess. We could never get the Aqua Magic to =
stop leaking. The connection to the head was so buried that the entire =
unit would have had to be removed to get to it SO I made a decision to =
go around all that old plumbing. We put in a new Wand that can hold =
high pressure and an in-line valve just in case. From now on the way I =
flush my toilet is to step on the pedal and use the wand. I like this =
minimal technique.
The shower unit had broken rosettes and no plumbing supply around or =
on-line had a clue. I posted to VAC list and got no answer SO I went =
shopping for a replacement at a big professional plumbing supplier =
called Ferguson's.
They found an Alson's unit, the 1050 BX which looks like an exact =
replacement but there was an issue which took fabrication. The threaded =
plumbing was 3/4" and we had to use a brass reducer to 1/2". BTW, this =
was a 3 1/2" fixture.
The bathroom sink was also self destructing. It was a four inch fixture =
which was easier to find. I bought a higher laundry type swivel faucet =
at Home Depot for $24. It was all metal and fit right in. I paid for =
the two bathroom fixtures over and above the HUD contract.
My favorite improvement on this project was the addition of the =
Precision Temp RV-500 on demand water heater with flush mount to match =
the A/S exterior. It fit in easily and once we sorted out some =
electrical issues worked perfectly. I can now take showers for as long =
as I want :)
So that's it. Now I am on to home decorating with new window coverings =
and custom upholstery. This 1966 Safari will keep me busy for years to =
come. New pictures coming soon.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari=20
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA =20
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we=20
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Fan Create=20
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was=20
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interior shroud of the A/C. All it took was a little Simple Green =
and some=20
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exhaust=20
hole to patch and would appreciate any good ideas for how to blend to =
the stock=20
wall covering.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2>I removed the old vinyl =
asbestos tile=20
myself a while back. I also removed the old Suburban Furnace as =
well as a=20
second furnace that was in the bathroom floor. =
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2>After shopping around and =
looking at=20
everything from cork to parquet I chose Armstrong's textured commercial =
tile=20
called "Safety Zone". It was expensive at $2 per square foot but =
well=20
worth it. It is easy to clean and very comfy to walk=20
on.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2>The bathroom plumbing was a =
mess. =20
We could never get the Aqua Magic to stop leaking. The connection =
to the=20
head was so buried that the entire unit would have had to be removed to =
get to=20
it SO I made a decision to go around all that old plumbing. We put =
in a=20
new Wand that can hold high pressure and an in-line valve just in =
case. =20
>From now on the way I flush my toilet is to step on the pedal and use =
the=20
wand. I like this minimal technique.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2>The shower unit had broken =
rosettes and=20
no plumbing supply around or on-line had a clue. I posted to =
VAC list=20
and got no answer SO I went shopping for a replacement at a big =
professional=20
plumbing supplier called Ferguson's.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2>They found an Alson's unit, =
the 1050 BX=20
which looks like an exact replacement but there was an issue which took=20
fabrication. The threaded plumbing was 3/4" and we had to use a =
brass=20
reducer to 1/2". BTW, this was a 3 1/2" fixture.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2>The bathroom sink was also =
self=20
destructing. It was a four inch fixture which was easier to =
find. I=20
bought a higher laundry type swivel faucet at Home Depot for $24. =
It was=20
all metal and fit right in. I paid for the two bathroom fixtures =
over and=20
above the HUD contract.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2>My favorite improvement on =
this project=20
was the addition of the Precision Temp RV-500 on demand water heater =
with flush=20
mount to match the A/S exterior. It fit in easily and once we =
sorted out=20
some electrical issues worked perfectly. I can now take showers =
for as=20
long as I want :)</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2>So that's it. Now I am =
on to home=20
decorating with new window coverings and custom upholstery. This =
1966=20
Safari will keep me busy for years to come. New pictures coming=20
soon.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV>Bob Kiger <A=20
href=3D"http://cruiserbob.com";>http://cruiserbob.com</A><BR>66 Airstream =
Safari=20
<BR>Mira Mar Mobile Park<BR>Oceanside, CA </DIV>
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Message Number: 36
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:03:43 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Vintage Airstream trailer for sale
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Tom,
Thanks for showing us the beautiful Overlander. I was just curious =
to know if those bowed arms on the Zip Dee trailer were standard. I =
don't recall ever seeing them B4.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari=20
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA =20
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From: Tom Patterson=20
To: Multiple recipients of VACList=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 6:36 AM
Subject: [VAC] Vintage Airstream trailer for sale
I received the following message from Ralph E. Shumaker and wonder if =
anyone can help him with his qestion. I put a picture of his trailer up =
on the following location:
http://www.tompatterson.com/VAC/Awning%20shot%20Front%20view.jpg
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Tom...
I have a completely restored 69 Overlander for sale, the bank has =
asked these people for an appraisal.
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2>Tom,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2> Thanks for =
showing us=20
the beautiful Overlander. I was just curious to know if those =
bowed arms=20
on the Zip Dee trailer were standard. I don't recall ever seeing =
them=20
B4.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV>Bob Kiger <A=20
href=3D"http://cruiserbob.com";>http://cruiserbob.com</A><BR>66 Airstream =
Safari=20
<BR>Mira Mar Mobile Park<BR>Oceanside, CA </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
[EMAIL PROTECTED]=20
href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>Multiple recipients of =
VACList</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 21, =
2002 6:36=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [VAC] Vintage =
Airstream trailer=20
for sale</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I received the following message from =
Ralph E.=20
Shumaker and wonder if anyone can help him with his qestion. I =
put a=20
picture of his trailer up on the following location:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.tompatterson.com/VAC/Awning%20shot%20Front%20view.jpg"=
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Message Number: 37
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:26:25 -0400
From: Alexis Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 67' Globe Trotter
"To date the plywood floor has been
replaced as well as all the old aluminum wiring and insulation top to
bottom...Red."
I wondered about that aluminum wiring...how important do folks think it is
to replace that?
And to replace insulation I take it you have to remove each interior panel
and reinsulate and reinstall the panel? I itch just thinking about it!!!
The rest of your challenge sounds admirable and you deserve a bunch of "atta
boys" ...unless "Red" means a woman!!!
Lexxey...
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Message Number: 38
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:28:49 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: we live in our 67 safari, it's nice!
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Todd wrote: "forget that fold out table assembly-- especially if there =
is water damage to the support from missing window. I saved ours for =
our A/S museum and feel that a card table is lighter, more stable, and =
versatile (as it can be used outdoors in nice weather. )"
I'm not sure it's a great idea to throw out the engineered Airstream =
fixtures without careful review. Check out my website for a nifty =
design on a computer cabinet that features the existing folding table. =
I offset the table's leg so I could leave the table up even when the =
gaucho is folded down into a bed.
BTW My doggie likes to lay on the bed in the space under the table and =
look out the screen door.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com/interior
66 Airstream Safari=20
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Message Number: 39
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:37:29 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 67' Globe Trotter
As an electrical engineer, I'm not using the aluminum wiring in my '68
Caravel. The outlets and switches of the era were not suitable for
making safe connections to aluminum wire and so represent a severe fire
and shock hazard. The wire's can be pigtailed with suitable crimped
connections (by a qualified electrician or switches and outlets rated
for use with aluminum wire (run up to about $3 each, and can be found at
home centers) can be used relatively safely. Even then a drop of an
aluminum connection grease (also at the home centers, most commonly used
for aluminum main service entrance cables) is a benefit to the
connection. I will probably try to pull copper romex to replace and add
onto the original circuits. My Caravel lacks any outlets in the dining
area. Adding a GFI to the circuit is on top of my list to do with the
wiring also.
Aluminum wiring connections even when made with the proper crimpers or
aluminum rated devices need to be checked for tightness, especially
after tripping a breaker or blowing a fuse. The added current to a short
can cause the connections to go open and then to heat when used or to
not have the safety ground connected. I know of deaths that have
resulted from the ground circuit failing after a short.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 40
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:40:45 -0500
From: "D. Reilly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Replacement Refrigerator
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Message Number: 41
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:02:30 -0400
From: "David W. Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OBX Rally Photos
Greetings!
I have uploaded my OBX Rally photos to the Web. You can see them here:
http://w3.one.net/~dlowrey1/wbcci/OBX02/
Altho the OBX Rally is not "officially" a VAC rally, most of the trailers
there were vintage, so I thought they may be of interest to this group.
Feel free to use them for any non-commercial purposes you wish. All I ask
is that, if appropriate, you give me credit.
If you would like the high resolution (1280x640), un-edited version of the
photos, or wish prints, just drop me a line. I will only charge my costs
plus postage for prints or to burn CDs.
Dave
_________________________________________________________________
Dave & Ann Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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