on 9/24/2000 3:55 PM, "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jon Stevens wrote:
>>
>> on 9/24/2000 3:12 PM, "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> What about those of us (obviously foolish souls) that don't use Turbine?
>>
>> We are providing an excellent solution to solve that problem that you are
>> discussing. If you don't like it, then you are going to be forced to come up
>> with your own solution or help us change our solution to match your tastes.
>
> Just to make it clear to me, are you saying that Turbine specifically is
> the solution to allow cleaner handling of an undefined reference in
> general Velocity template processing?
No. I'm saying that Turbine solves the problems that you changed the subject
to talk about. :-) Maybe you should go look at what Turbine is so that you
have a better understanding of what you are trying to discuss. :-)
> If so, I don't like it.
>
> Where my thinking came from was that if the solution was cleanly
> expressed within the template language, i.e.
>
> $!email <==> #if($email) { $email }
>
> then why not produce a mechanism that allows one to do that w/o having
> to repeat the code all over the template? That's all.
Right, my proposal was:
$tool.Value($email) <==> #if($email) { $email }
We have come to the conclusion that $!email would be ok.
> Currently, I am not using Turbine, and have run across the issue that
> started this discussion this morning, and used #if(){} rather than
> bringing another framework into my project.
See above.
>> That is exactly what this group is all about. You can either choose to play
>> with us and gain the power from that or choose to play on your own and
>> continually re-invent our wheel.
>>
>> I'm not trying to be harsh, just honest. There is only 24 hours in the day
>> and we are trying our best to come up with solutions that work for the
>> broader whole.
>
> Honestly, harsh is fine. I am also interested in the best solution for
> me and the whole, and don't really quite understand the drawbacks of a
> user-expandable template engine. I appreciate all the effort that
> people go to, and wish I could find the time and a place to contribute.
>
> Anyway, I guess I haven't been reading closely enough, luking on this
> list, nor do I seem to understand what 'playing with you' means. I was
> trying to play with the velocity project. I thought that velocity was
> supposed to be the apache foundation's version of a template engine
> similar to webmacro, and Turbine is an application framework that uses
> it. I don't understand why the inverse should be a requirement.
What I mean by "playing with you" is participating in the Jakarta/Java
Apache projects.
-jon
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