J, Don't knock what works for you. It works for me too. Tony --- On Mon, 2/16/09, J Balmer <jbal...@a5.com> wrote: From: J Balmer <jbal...@a5.com> Subject: [VFB] Re: The lift - was Active Nymphing To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 6:40 PM
While I'm not as experienced a fly fisherman as many in this group, I'm willing to give this a shot. What I do depends on: Depth & speed of the water, and The fish. Generally, I lift the rod tip slightly @ the end of the swing & if nothing happens I let it slowly drop back. I get a lot of hits on the lift. Stripping back I get hits either near the top of the strip or @ the pause. Fishing tailwaters like Taneycomo in Missouri, I've had 30-50 fish days w/ a bugger or a bead head. The last time I was there I caught 30 (mostly rainbow) in an hour & a half rarely facing upstream. I hate using strike indicators, but that's probably because I never really learned how:) I only use them when I'm missing a lot while drifting, I'm trying to keep the fly off or right @ the bottom or if I'm working an eddy. J -----Original Message----- From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Bliss Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:08 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] The lift - was Active Nymphing This discussion has been very helpful for me both in understanding Osthoff's book and the process. Now I want to talk about the "lift". Can you make me feel this? We are at the end of the swing. I assume the flyrod is pointing straight down the river at the fly. Simply raise the fly rod? Slowly? Thanks again, By the way, I think I am a very good nymphing fisherman. However, I do my best to dead drift with no unnatural action or drag. But this is a new concept and I am trying to conceptualize it. Also I use a strike indicator. I have fished without it and I feel it gives me more information not just on the strike but also on the way the current is affecting my line and hence my fly. I would like some feedback on this as well. I know many good fisherman don't as those on the list have indicated but many very good ones do based on my observation and reading. It would be interesting to get the viewpoint of those that don't how they deal with determining drag Mike On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Anthony Spezio <bambot...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Tom and you are men after me own heart. I did not have anyone to teach > me but I found out that doing it this way had been real effective for > me. That drift with some twitching has taken a lot of fish when others > had a hard time catching fish. That "lift" at the end of the swing is > deadly. I would say I catch about 90% of my fish there when nymping or using buggers. > I am self taught and have never had the desire to use "bobbers". I > know I am stepping on some toes but to me worms and bobbers go > together.. LOL Tom, any time you can come by, you are welcome, we will > miss you at the Sowbug. > Tony > > --- On Mon, 2/16/09, George <k...@msn.com> wrote: > > From: George <k...@msn.com> > Subject: [VFB] Re: Active Nymphing was QUOTE FOR THE DAY > To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 10:55 AM > > Absolutely Tom, I couldn't agree more with your observations. When I > started nymphing without a strike indicator, my catch rate increased. > I have used the same technique and have also caught fish at all stages > of the presentation. > > The fly is only part of the technique, the rest is presentation, > presentation, presentation. > > Keeping the fly in the water is very important, even fishing out a bad > cast can produce a catch. I can usually spot a novice by watching the > number of false casts. The fly in the water is what catches the fish, > the fly in the air doesn't. > > George Vincent > ________________________________ > From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Tom Davenport > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 18:34 > To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > Subject: [VFB] Re: Active Nymphing was QUOTE FOR THE DAY > > I learned to fly fish about 15 years ago when a friend helped me get > rigged up and taught me how to cast and fish. He was a nymph > fisherman (anyone who fishes the Weber River where I fish most often is) and he taught me to dead > drift the fly behind a strike indicator. Later I talked to another friend > who had been a fly tyer and fly fisher for years, and asked him if he > used a strike indicator and the dead drift. He said no, he always > used a shorter line and followed it as it drifted through the deep > holes. So I tried his technique and started catching more fish. > Several years later I realized what I was doing is called "High > Sticking" and it is still my preferred method to dig a bunch of fish > out of a deep hole. It always includes a lift at the end, and often I > strip it back, and have caught fish both ways. Also with a nymph and a swing, especially when there are caddis hatching. > While the basic idea of the "dead drift" is sound, but I don't think > it is as important as some people think. Sometimes adding a little > motion to the fly is exactly what the fish need to strike. If I am > fishing a long, deep run, I will often combine them all... Maybe cast > into a back eddy, let the fly sink then strip it into the main > current, let it dead drift until it comes close to me, then lift the line and high stick through the water next > to me, with a swing on the end, followed by stripping the line back. I > have caught fish at all stages of the presentation of the fly. > I think we spend too much time wondering what a fly "represents" . > Most often, it is just something that looks like food to the fish, and > movement can be a trigger. > Perhaps the most important thing is just keeping the fly in the water, > and close to the bottom. > Tom > P.S. By the way, I am officially "back". My strength, energy, > appetite, are all normal. I am also making progress with the other > two side effects of the surgery. Life is good. The only downside is > that my intention to attend Sowbug this year has been derailed by > $3000.00 in medical expenses (since I was in the hospital in December > and January, it get to pay for two years worth of deductibles). > I was really looking forward to seeing Tony again, but my son is a > trucker, and if he has a run this summer that comes within 200 miles > of Flippin, I'll be there to visit (I'll call first). > > On Feb 14, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Anthony Spezio wrote: > > This called the "Miracle Inch". I use it a lot and get some violent strikes. > At first I would get a lot of break offs till I learned to keep the > line loose in my line hand. I would "twitch" the nymph on the drift > let it swing and hold it there for a short. Then work it back up > stream like a wounded minnow. > Tony > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, KP <kpt...@btinternet.com> wrote: > > From: KP <kpt...@btinternet.com> > Subject: [VFB] Re: Active Nymphing was QUOTE FOR THE DAY > To: "VFB Mail" <vfb-mail@googlegroups.com> > Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 5:01 PM > > I love upstream dry fly fishng and in the winter I fish my nymphs this > way too. A friend of mine just came back from a course here in the UK > and they were shown how the masters of short line nymphing do the job. > Your books ref to the stripping the nymph on the lift is how he > described the Czech and Polish method of what we call the induced take > as originated here by Mr Skues. There is a new (?) method used by > these guys that uses long leaders up to 18 or 20 feet long ! At the > end of the drift they lift the nymph at a rediculous (to me anyway) > speed but it works really well. I have used the same method but with > sensible leaders of 10 to 12 feet long. It resulted in a 40cm grayling > (thats 16" in proper money) which is big for the UK, on my last trip > to the river. SO yes stripping the nymph induces takes from fish so I > guess you should try it for a while and compare to your normal slower > retrieve. > Just my 2pennorth. > Cheers > Keith > > PS DonO I am doing the 24hour thing again this year!!! I now work for > Orvis UK !!! > > On Feb 12, > 8:46 pm, Michael Bliss <flyfish...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I am reading a book called "Active Nymphing: Aggressive Strategies > for >> Casting, Rigging, And Moving the Nymphs" By Rich Osthoff. In the >> book he talks of moving the nymph, not just like streamer fishing but >> casting upstream and stripping the nymph (not streamer). I am a dead >> drifter almost all of the time and this is new to me. Anyone do this >> and can you shed some perspective on this? >> >> Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
