Mike, It is a personal thing with me. I concentrate on the line. I get satisfaction of knowing when to set the hook by watching my line. It is full concentration. I have fished with an indicator twice and have caught fish both times but no satisfaction for me. I tease my fishing buddies that use indicators but that is all it is, just teasing. I will admit, times they have out fished me quite a bit but I still fish like I enjoy. Tony.
--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Michael Bliss <flyfish...@gmail.com> wrote: From: Michael Bliss <flyfish...@gmail.com> Subject: [VFB] The lift - was Active Nymphing To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 5:07 PM This discussion has been very helpful for me both in understanding Osthoff's book and the process. Now I want to talk about the "lift". Can you make me feel this? We are at the end of the swing. I assume the flyrod is pointing straight down the river at the fly. Simply raise the fly rod? Slowly? Thanks again, By the way, I think I am a very good nymphing fisherman. However, I do my best to dead drift with no unnatural action or drag. But this is a new concept and I am trying to conceptualize it. Also I use a strike indicator. I have fished without it and I feel it gives me more information not just on the strike but also on the way the current is affecting my line and hence my fly. I would like some feedback on this as well. I know many good fisherman don't as those on the list have indicated but many very good ones do based on my observation and reading. It would be interesting to get the viewpoint of those that don't how they deal with determining drag Mike On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Anthony Spezio <bambot...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Tom and you are men after me own heart. I did not have anyone to teach me > but I found out that doing it this way had been real effective for me. That > drift with some twitching has taken a lot of fish when others had a hard > time catching fish. That "lift" at the end of the swing is deadly. I would > say I catch about 90% of my fish there when nymping or using buggers. > I am self taught and have never had the desire to use "bobbers". I know I am > stepping on some toes but to me worms and bobbers go together.. LOL > Tom, any time you can come by, you are welcome, we will miss you at the > Sowbug. > Tony > > --- On Mon, 2/16/09, George <k...@msn.com> wrote: > > From: George <k...@msn.com> > Subject: [VFB] Re: Active Nymphing was QUOTE FOR THE DAY > To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 10:55 AM > > Absolutely Tom, I couldn't agree more with your observations. When I started > nymphing without a strike indicator, my catch rate increased. I have used > the same technique and have also caught fish at all stages of the > presentation. > > The fly is only part of the technique, the rest is presentation, > presentation, presentation. > > Keeping the fly in the water is very important, even fishing out a bad cast > can produce a catch. I can usually spot a novice by watching the number of > false casts. The fly in the water is what catches the fish, the fly in the > air doesn't. > > George Vincent > ________________________________ > From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Tom Davenport > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 18:34 > To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > Subject: [VFB] Re: Active Nymphing was QUOTE FOR THE DAY > > I learned to fly fish about 15 years ago when a friend helped me get rigged > up and taught me how to cast and fish. He was a nymph fisherman (anyone who > fishes the Weber River where I fish most often is) and he taught me to dead > drift the fly behind a strike indicator. Later I talked to another friend > who had been a fly tyer and fly fisher for years, and asked him if he used a > strike indicator and the dead drift. He said no, he always used a shorter > line and followed it as it drifted through the deep holes. So I tried his > technique and started catching more fish. Several years later I realized > what I was doing is called "High Sticking" and it is still my preferred > method to dig a bunch of fish out of a deep hole. It always includes a lift > at the end, and often I strip it back, and have caught fish both ways. Also > with a nymph and a swing, especially when there are caddis hatching. > While the basic idea of the "dead drift" is sound, but I don't think it is > as important as some people think. Sometimes adding a little motion to the > fly is exactly what the fish need to strike. If I am fishing a long, deep > run, I will often combine them all... Maybe cast into a back eddy, let the > fly sink then strip it into the main current, let it dead drift until it > comes close to me, then lift the line and high stick through the water next > to me, with a swing on the end, followed by stripping the line back. I > have caught fish at all stages of the presentation of the fly. > I think we spend too much time wondering what a fly "represents" . Most > often, it is just something that looks like food to the fish, and movement > can be a trigger. > Perhaps the most important thing is just keeping the fly in the water, and > close to the bottom. > Tom > P.S. By the way, I am officially "back". My strength, energy, appetite, > are all normal. I am also making progress with the other two side effects > of the surgery. Life is good. The only downside is that my intention to > attend Sowbug this year has been derailed by $3000.00 in medical expenses > (since I was in the hospital in December and January, it get to pay for two > years worth of deductibles). > I was really looking forward to seeing Tony again, but my son is a trucker, > and if he has a run this summer that comes within 200 miles of Flippin, I'll > be there to visit (I'll call first). > > On Feb 14, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Anthony Spezio wrote: > > This called the "Miracle Inch". I use it a lot and get some violent strikes. > At first I would get a lot of break offs till I learned to keep the line > loose in my line hand. I would "twitch" the nymph on the drift let it swing > and hold it there for a short. Then work it back up stream like a wounded > minnow. > Tony > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, KP <kpt...@btinternet.com> wrote: > > From: KP <kpt...@btinternet.com> > Subject: [VFB] Re: Active Nymphing was QUOTE FOR THE DAY > To: "VFB Mail" <vfb-mail@googlegroups.com> > Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 5:01 PM > > I love upstream dry fly fishng and in the winter I fish my nymphs this > way too. A friend of mine just came back from a course here in the > UK > and they were shown how the masters of short line nymphing do the job. > Your books ref to the stripping the nymph on the lift is how he > described the Czech and Polish method of what we call the induced take > as originated here by Mr Skues. There is a new (?) method used by > these guys that uses long leaders up to 18 or 20 feet long ! At the > end of the drift they lift the nymph at a rediculous (to me anyway) > speed but it works really well. I have used the same method but with > sensible leaders of 10 to 12 feet long. It resulted in a 40cm grayling > (thats 16" in proper money) which is big for the UK, on my last trip > to the river. SO yes stripping the nymph induces takes from fish so I > guess you should try it for a while and > compare to your normal slower > retrieve. > Just my 2pennorth. > Cheers > Keith > > PS DonO I am doing the 24hour thing again this year!!! I now work for > Orvis UK !!! > > On Feb 12, > 8:46 pm, Michael Bliss <flyfish...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I am reading a book called "Active Nymphing: Aggressive Strategies > for >> Casting, Rigging, And Moving the Nymphs" By Rich Osthoff. In the >> book he talks of moving the nymph, not just like streamer fishing but >> casting upstream and stripping the nymph (not streamer). I am a dead >> drifter almost all of the time and this is new to me. Anyone do this >> and can you shed some perspective on this? >> >> Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
