When I'm fishing for browns on the Cimarron in NM, I always use a dropper fly, like a Copper John, etc., at the bottom of an 18" 7X leader, which is tied to the bend of the hook from a # 12 EHC, Humpy or other high floating dry fly, which is tied to the end of my tippet. This enables me to get the Copper John down where the fish are, but not quite touching the bottom which is mostly 18-24 " deep except for pools. I can tell what's going on by watching the dry fly as it floats along. On a few occassions I've caught two trout at once. Using the dry fly on top also helps me keep from hanging up my Copper John. on the rocks, etc.
JIMMY D Niclas Runarsson wrote: > I sometimes used a foam hopper as indicator, with a little nymph > hanging under it. The size and shape of the hopper is a little bit > adjusted to give it a little bit more caddis look, making it more > interesting to the fishing around here. Am I using an indicator? > Noupp, I'm just saving time by dry-fly fishing and nymph fishing at > the same time... ;o) > > /Nick > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] > För Anthony Spezio > Skickat: den 20 februari 2009 14:22 > Till: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > Ämne: [VFB] Re: The lift - was Active Nymphing > > BOO HOO HOO Tom, TYou hurt my feelings. I thought were my friend. LOL > All kidding aside, It is personal with me as I did not grow up on > an indicator (bobber). I have no problems with anyone using them > and as I said, I have had friends fishing with me out fish me > using them. It is just not my style, > Glad you are doing better I am still not up to par. Hate to hear > you will be not making the Sowbug this year, hope next year will > be a better year for all of us. > Stay in touch. > Arkansas Tony > > --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Tom Davenport <t...@comcast.net> wrote: > > From: Tom Davenport <t...@comcast.net> > Subject: [VFB] Re: The lift - was Active Nymphing > To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 12:20 AM > >Unlike Tony, I have no problems at all with a strike indicator, >especially when making long casts into deep holes that would be >impossible to fish with the high stick method. Heck, I don't even >care if you call it a bobber instead of a strike indicator. In fact my >favorite strike indicator LOOKS like a bobber, it is called the >"Thingamabobber" (here is a link if you want to see one: >http://www.cabelas.com/prod-1/0054523320531a.shtml > ) It is lightweight, unsinkable, can be easily adjusted at >any point on the leader. I use the smallest one they make. But I >don't let the fact I have a strike indicator on stop me from high >sticking, I will do it anyway when the line gets into high sticking >territory. The strike indicator helps you see the slight "pause" in > >drift of the line when a fish is taking your nymph. > >Tom >On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Michael Bliss > wrote: > >> >> This discussion has been very helpful for me both in understanding >> Osthoff's book and the process. Now I want to talk about the >"lift". >> Can you make me feel this? We are at the end of the swing. I assume >> the flyrod is pointing straight down the river at the fly. Simply >> raise the fly rod? Slowly? Thanks again, >> >> By the way, I think I am a very good nymphing fisherman. However, I >> do my best to dead drift with no unnatural action or drag. But this >> is a new concept and I am trying to conceptualize it. Also I use a >> strike indicator. I have fished without it and I feel it gives me >> more information not just on the strike but also on the way the >> current is affecting my line and hence my fly. I would like some >> feedback on this as well. I know many good fisherman don't as those >> on the list have indicated but many very > good ones do based on my >> observation and reading. It would be interesting to get the viewpoint >> of those that don't how they deal with determining drag >> >> Mike >> >> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Anthony Spezio >> <bambot...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> Tom and you are men after me own heart. I did not have anyone to >>> teach me >>> but I found out that doing it this way had been real effective for >>> me. That >>> drift with some twitching has taken a lot of fish when others had a >>> hard >>> time catching fish. That "lift" at the end of the swing is >deadly. >>> I would >>> say I catch about 90% of my fish there when nymping or using buggers. >>> I am self taught and have never had the desire to use >"bobbers". I >>> know I am >>> stepping on some toes but to me worms and bobbers go together.. > LOL >>> Tom, any time you can come by, you are welcome, we will miss you at >>> the >>> Sowbug. >>> Tony >>> >>> --- On Mon, 2/16/09, George <k...@msn.com> wrote: >>> >>> From: George <k...@msn.com> >>> Subject: [VFB] Re: Active Nymphing was QUOTE FOR THE DAY >>> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com >>> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 10:55 AM >>> >>> Absolutely Tom, I couldn't agree more with your observations. When > >>> I started >>> nymphing without a strike indicator, my catch rate increased. I >>> have used >>> the same technique and have also caught fish at all stages of the >>> presentation. >>> >>> The fly is only part of the technique, the rest is presentation, >>> presentation, presentation. >>> >>> Keeping the fly in the water is very important, > even fishing out a >>> bad cast >>> can produce a catch. I can usually spot a novice by watching the >>> number of >>> false casts. The fly in the water is what catches the fish, the fly >>> in the >>> air doesn't. >>> >>> George Vincent >>> ________________________________ >>> From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] >>> On Behalf >>> Of Tom Davenport >>> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 18:34 >>> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: [VFB] Re: Active Nymphing was QUOTE FOR THE DAY >>> >>> I learned to fly fish about 15 years ago when a friend helped me >>> get rigged >>> up and taught me how to cast and fish. He was a nymph fisherman >>> (anyone who >>> fishes the Weber River where I fish most often is) and he taught me >>> to > dead >>> drift the fly behind a strike indicator. Later I talked to >>> another friend >>> who had been a fly tyer and fly fisher for years, and asked him if >>> he used a >>> strike indicator and the dead drift. He said no, he always used a >>> shorter >>> line and followed it as it drifted through the deep holes. So I >>> tried his >>> technique and started catching more fish. Several years later I >>> realized >>> what I was doing is called "High Sticking" and it is still >my >>> preferred >>> method to dig a bunch of fish out of a deep hole. It always >>> includes a lift >>> at the end, and often I strip it back, and have caught fish both >>> ways. Also >>> with a nymph and a swing, especially when there are caddis hatching. >>> While the basic idea of the "dead drift" is sound, but > I >don't >>> think it is >>> as important as some people think. Sometimes adding a little >>> motion to the >>> fly is exactly what the fish need to strike. If I am fishing a >>> long, deep >>> run, I will often combine them all... Maybe cast into a back eddy, >>> let the >>> fly sink then strip it into the main current, let it dead drift >>> until it >>> comes close to me, then lift the line and high stick through the >>> water next >>> to me, with a swing on the end, followed by stripping the line >>> back. I >>> have caught fish at all stages of the presentation of the fly. >>> I think we spend too much time wondering what a fly >"represents" . >>> Most >>> often, it is just something that looks like food to the fish, and >>> movement >>> can be a trigger. >>> > Perhaps the most important thing is just keeping the fly in the >>> water, and >>> close to the bottom. >>> Tom >>> P.S. By the way, I am officially "back". My strength, >energy, >>> appetite, >>> are all normal. I am also making progress with the other two side >>> effects >>> of the surgery. Life is good. The only downside is that my >>> intention to >>> attend Sowbug this year has been derailed by $3000.00 in medical >>> expenses >>> (since I was in the hospital in December and January, it get to pay >>> for two >>> years worth of deductibles). >>> I was really looking forward to seeing Tony again, but my son is a >>> trucker, >>> and if he has a run this summer that comes within 200 miles of >>> Flippin, I'll >>> be there to visit (I'll call first). >>> >>> On > Feb 14, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Anthony Spezio wrote: >>> >>> This called the "Miracle Inch". I use it a lot and get some >violent >>> strikes. >>> At first I would get a lot of break offs till I learned to keep the >>> line >>> loose in my line hand. I would "twitch" the nymph on the >drift let >>> it swing >>> and hold it there for a short. Then work it back up stream like a >>> wounded >>> minnow. >>> Tony >>> >>> --- On Fri, 2/13/09, KP <kpt...@btinternet.com> wrote: >>> >>> From: KP <kpt...@btinternet.com> >>> Subject: [VFB] Re: Active Nymphing was QUOTE FOR THE DAY >>> To: "VFB Mail" <vfb-mail@googlegroups.com> >>> Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 5:01 PM >>> >>> I love upstream dry fly fishng and in the winter I fish my nymphs >>> this >>> way too. > A friend of mine just came back from a course here in the >>> UK >>> and they were shown how the masters of short line nymphing do the >>> job. >>> Your books ref to the stripping the nymph on the lift is how he >>> described the Czech and Polish method of what we call the induced >>> take >>> as originated here by Mr Skues. There is a new (?) method used by >>> these guys that uses long leaders up to 18 or 20 feet long ! At the >>> end of the drift they lift the nymph at a rediculous (to me anyway) >>> speed but it works really well. I have used the same method but with >>> sensible leaders of 10 to 12 feet long. It resulted in a 40cm >>> grayling >>> (thats 16" in proper money) which is big for the UK, on my last >trip >>> to the river. SO yes stripping the nymph induces takes from fish so I >>> guess you should try it for a > while and >>> compare to your normal slower >>> retrieve. >>> Just my 2pennorth. >>> Cheers >>> Keith >>> >>> PS DonO I am doing the 24hour thing again this year!!! I now work >>> for >>> Orvis UK !!! >>> >>> On Feb 12, >>> 8:46 pm, Michael Bliss <flyfish...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I am reading a book called "Active Nymphing: Aggressive >Strategies >>> for >>>> Casting, Rigging, And Moving the Nymphs" By Rich Osthoff. >In the >>>> book he talks of moving the nymph, not just like streamer fishing > >>>> but >>>> casting upstream and stripping the nymph (not streamer). I am a >>>> dead >>>> drifter almost all of the time and this is new to me. Anyone do >>>> this >>>> and can you shed some perspective on > this? >>>> >>>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- **************** ><((((((((º> ************** JIMMY D. MOORE jdmo...@fishgame.com North Zone Fishing Editor - Texas Fish & Game Mag, Author - Moon Holler Misfits Fishing & Hunting Club, Humorist, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, Member TOWA, Retired Scout Exec. BSA. ***************** <º))))))))>< ************* --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
