Nice post, I pretty much totally agree with you there. I think Ive moaned about this in the past year or so, I miss a large number of people and their opinions.
I suppose it was easier to talk about things when it was fresher. There is probably as much new stuff happening, in terms of issues, shows, services, technology, etc, and with each day video is used more and more by humans, but the big bang is over. Progress marches on, but Hunter S Thompson's profound comments about a high water mark you can see with the right sort of eyes, holds as true for vlogging as it did the 60's revolution. Anyways I miss the days when I wouldnt stick out so much as a frequent opinionater. My opinions bore me (perhaps nearly as much as they bore everyone else lol) and I do miss more of that stuff, its not like there are enough comments on sites like newteevee to replace what used to happen here. But having said that, there were probably people getting disattisfied with this group from almost the moment it began. Some peeps were always pining for more discussion of content and creativity, rather than technology. Now there is probably more legal, ethical, business & advertising talk than there is tech talk, but no greater discussion of creative technique etc etc. The group sticking with the same means of communicating, also dooms it to a certain extent, or at least reduces its scope. Its reasonable for it to be conservative to ensure the lowest technical barriers to entry, but taking the best of twitter, live video, video conferencing, social networking and virtual reality to create a different sort of presense for the group, would be an interesting thing to see. I dont anticipate this happening here though, so maybe sometime a slightly or totally different network of humans will make it so. Ah well, despite the years of hype, human networking via computer networks still has a long way to go. Collaboration not as easy as it should be, but is this a failure of tools or a failure of will? Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "andrew michael baron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, this list doesn't do it for me much anymore either. I dont > really get that much support from the list. This is not to say that > this is not a supportive community or that its gone bad, its just that > I personally dont get that much from it anymore. > > People are not as moved as they seemed to once be and people are not > talking about the next thing. Thats okay, we can keep talking about > the last thing but I liked the next-thing part of the list from > before. > > Just the other day I posted what I would consider a pretty relevant > topic about the changing industry, mentioned I had been working on a > hypothesis for quite some time and then asked for thoughts but didn't > get a single response here. It wound up on Techmeme with links from > Mashable, Newteevee, The Hollywood Writers Guild blog and I got > contacted by some striking writers and got offered a panel position, > but not a single comment on this list, even after asking. I guess its > just not interesting or exciting to most people anymore. > > I am still grateful for this list, especially for how much support I > have gotten in the past and I think I have given alot as well. Its > kinda of like a family which you love unconditionally even when you > disagree and get upset, so Ill stick around. > > Im also not going to just say that this sucks and not throw out a > solution. For some this wont be a solution because there is no > problem, but for those that also feel the lack of any vibrance now, > perhaps people could do more to post about relevant breaking news. > Thats really what was so exciting about the list on top of all of the > other values a couple of years ago. A breaking news story often leads > to a great discussion where people pull their ideas together over new > and fresh ideas. I call it breaking news but it was often filled with > little discoveries from people in the group out there doing. It was > about finding a way to bootstrap two new things together, a way to > take something a step further that had not been articulated before, an > interesting comment on the impact of a message in content - laying out > new methods and talking about them. > > This is exactly what keeps me going, personally, an now, when I get > excited and want to engage in a discussion about contemporary or > future issues, I look to other places where people seem much more > impassioned about the space. > > > On Dec 23, 2007 11:49 PM, Chuck Olsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you guys suck > > > > just kidding! > > > > there have been a few bad apples in here, and drawn out terrible > > back-and-forths that made me stop reading this group. that said, > > the community is still here (or, there, or various places if we look). > > > > cheryl colan's thread is proof that the videoblogging community > > exists, and is sensitive and strong and passionate. however i prefer > > to keep up with that community on Twitter for the most part. > > > > all my very best of the season to you, each and every one. > > -chuck > > > > plug! working on the final ((?)) Vlog Santa going up soon: > > http://vlogsanta.tv > > > > >
