Now we are getting even more abstruse!
The equivalent of chord I in Castilian notation is represented by the letter
P and known as Patilla! Ribayaz calls it that and both Sanz and Guerau
have a Passacalles por Patilla but I can't remember whether Murcia mentions
the term. It is called that because of the shape the notes/fingers make on
the fingerboard. I think it means "a little plate".
In the "Arte de la guitarra" of Joseph Guerrero the equivalent of Alfabeto
Chord A (G major) is called "dedillo". Nobody is quite sure why but this is
probably because the first course is stopped with the little finger. The
4-part version of this chord found in Millioni for example has the second,
third and fourth courses unstopped.
In both Sanz and Murcia's tables there is a minor form of chord N which
involves a 4th finger half barre...
Montesardo certainly does say you should make a trill whenever the 4th
finger is free - which is interesting in such an early alfabeto source.
Regards
Monica
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From: "Nelson, Jocelyn" <nels...@ecu.edu>
To: "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>; "Stewart McCoy"
<lu...@tiscali.co.uk>; "Monica Hall" <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
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Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:04 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Chord I
Wasn't this the "pedilla" ("little foot") fingering mentioned in one of
the books? Sorry I can't find it now.
But just as Stewart says, below, Montesardo says something in general
about leaving the left hand little finger free for trills or other
ornaments (I'm going by Boye's translation).
Jocelyn
___________________________________________________________________
From: Martyn Hodgson <[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:34:56 -0400
To: Vihuela List <[2]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu>, Stewart McCoy
<[3]lu...@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Chord I
All, of course, helped by these chords being in a lower position with
the thicker frets.
M
--- On Sun, 11/10/09, Stewart McCoy <[4]lu...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> From: Stewart McCoy <[5]lu...@tiscali.co.uk>
> Subject: [VIHUELA] Chord I
> To: "Vihuela List" <[6]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Date: Sunday, 11 October, 2009, 9:13 PM
> Dear Monica,
>
> Thank you for confirming what I had thought was the case,
> that this is
> the standard fingering for the A major chord in
> 17th-century guitar
> books:
>
> ____a___
> _2__c___
> _1__c___
> _1__c___
> ____a___
>
> That is the fingering I try to use now. The great advantage
> is that you
> can trill on the 2nd course using your 4th finger at the
> 3rd fret. You
> get plenty of leverage trilling between the 2nd and 4th
> fingers, more
> than you would trilling with the 3rd and 4th fingers.
>
> There are many ways of fingering that A major chord. The
> commonest seen
> in modern guitar tutors is
>
> ____a___
> _3__c___
> _2__c___
> _1__c___
> ____a___
> ________
>
> That's OK if you have thin fingers, but there is always the
> danger that
> the 1st finger won't get close enough to the 2nd fret, and
> you'll get a
> buzz. One way of avoiding that, is to use this fingering:
>
> ____a___
> _3__c___
> _1__c___
> _2__c___
> ____a___
>
> which I sometimes use, particularly if hopping back and
> forth between
> chords of A and D major, because the 1st and 3rd fingers
> stay on the
> same string. Otherwise I go for the first fingering above.
>
> By the way, exactly the same thing applies to the chord of
> G major on a
> renaissance lute:
>
> ____a___
> ____a___
> _2__c___
> _1__c___
> _1__c___
> ____a___
>
> is usually best, and as with the guitar, you can trill with
> your 4th
> finger, this time on the 3rd course.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Stewart McCoy.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [7]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
> [[8]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
> On
> Behalf Of Monica Hall
> Sent: 11 October 2009 15:22
> To: Rob MacKillop
> Cc: Vihuelalist
> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Chord I
>
> That's very helpful and interesting what
> you say about the technique
> being standard for blues and jazz.
> There's obviously a long
> tradition
> there.
>
>
>
> Monica
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: [1]Rob MacKillop
>
> To: [2]Monica Hall
>
> Cc: [3]Vihuelalist
>
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 1:42 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Chord I
>
> I use the 2nd finger on the 2nd course,
> and the first finger on the
> other two courses. I have no problem with
> the open first string
> sounding. I show beginner-ish students
> this technique and invariable
> they can't bend their first finger
> inwards at the first joint, but
> some
> who have played blues and or jazz guitar
> before have no problem - it
> is
> fairly standard technique for those
> styles.
>
>
>
> Rob
>
> 2009/10/11 Monica Hall <[4][9]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> This is a rather abstruse
> query.
> In most Italian guitar
> tables of alfabeto chords which include
> the
> left
> hand fingering the
> indication is that Chord I is to be played
> using a
> half (or hinge) barre to
> stop the 4th and 3rd courses and the 2nd
> finger to stop the 2nd
> course at the 2nd fret.
>
> 0
>
> 2 1
>
> 2 1
>
> 2 2
>
> 0
> This doesn't seem to me the
> most convenient way of doing it
> especially
> when combined with other
> chords and I always use 1st, 2nd and 3rd
> fingers.
> Ruiz de Ribayaz does give
> my preferred fingering as an
> alternative to
> the Italian one.
> Both Sanz and Murcia seem
> to think that the 4th course should be
> stopped with the 1st finger
> and a 2nd finger half barre used to
> stop
> the 2nd and 3rd which seems
> a bit odd to me!
> I wonder if Sanz is a
> misprint which Murcia has copied.
> In the illustrations of the
> fingers stopping the chords on the
> fingerboard in Sanz the
> standard Italian fingering is shown.
> I just wonder how everyone
> else on this list usually fingers
> chord
> I
> and what the advantages are
> of the different possibilities.
> Monica
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