I like thinking about the evolution from 4 to 6 strings. I'm sure we can only speculate, unless there are explicit statements made at the time that we can uses as guides. Monica and Lex, you both use words like "perhaps" and "likely"... I'm not convinced that the requirement of barre chords is an overarching impediment. The 5-course alfabeto includes barres, and Sanz (for all his simplicity) often calls for them. Also, 12-string guitars exist -- modern ones as well as those reaching back into Mexico's past -- with music that includes barre's. (I don't agree with excluding the living relatives from the discussion.) If the musical requirements of a piece ask for more strings, we have many and fantastic examples of builders adding on strings to meet the requirements... Or even adding on another instrument joined at the hip. I don't see an argument for a physical impediment to 6-course instruments, either in construction, strings, or playing capabilities. I see the impediment as conceptual, and not in any pejorative sense. There's a practical tension between range and voicing that is captured in this issue. The most difficult intervals to play on the modern guitar are close intervals. Scordaturae exist to address this issue because these voicings can be essential to a certain mood or expression. Re-entrant tuning is one way to address this issue. But with re-entrance, you sacrifice range on the scale. I see this as a practical issue, not a historical one. The simple fact is, I can play and compose music on a guitar tuned in the Sanz style that I cannot play or compose on a modern guitar -- and vis versa. The issue is historical to the extent that practice emphasized different things at different times. But it's the practice that interests me. I also believe ("perhaps" it is "likely") that with the tuning scheme we have for the guitar, 5 courses is the limit for re-entrant tuning. Any more becomes redundant -- you have to worry about it when strumming, but it doesn't add anything new. So as long as players think in terms of re-entrant tuning, they will not have any interest in a 6-course instrument. That interest can only arise when they think in terms of extending the range of the instrument, and that extension is necessarily either up or down in pitch. It so happens for the guitar it was down. But to me it indicates that at some point the practice shifted from using the close intervals of re-entrant tuning to using the extended range of bass strings. And I'm sure that shift occurred before guitars became single-strung. I'm also sure it did not occur over night. In any event, you have to ask whether a bordon means bass, or just loud. Or does it mean you get to choose? When talking about a transition in practice and construction, I'm sure you can argue for whichever you feel is most appropriate for the situation. You could use a timeline to assign probability to one approach or another. But that is a false friend, because even Darwin would tell you that innovation isn't necessarily a smooth continuum. We can use musical theory of the era, but that was also in transition -- I just learned about a flame war between Monteverdi and Artusi that was not unlike something you'd see on this forum. It was all about transitions in taste, theory, and composition. What other guides do we have? Physically, we're pretty much the same as people of the era, and our instruments are fairly close replicas. We can use practical limitations to guide us as well. In other words, what can you do convincingly on the instrument? I will add that for process and flow studies, the transitions are very interesting. The boundary between still and boiling water, the eddies and currents that arise before a flow becomes turbulent, the explosion of forms when bicycles were first invented, or during the Cambrian explosion of life forms... By the way, I see no incompatibility in the 150 years it took for a 6-course instrument to become the norm. How long did it take for 5 course guitars to come on the scene? Also, I believe there are contemporary examples of 4, 5, and 6 course guitar-like instruments -- their popularity rests on the popularity of their reportoir at least as much as the problems or advantages of playing them. The 4-course guitar is in use today in Portugal, the Pacific, and in lots of ukulele clubs sprinkled across the US. I think Mexico has an example, and even uses the old bridge style. Maybe these are decadant relative of the original 4-course guitar, but my point is, we haven't killed it yet... the evolution is still happening many centuries later. So 150 years don't put me off in a terrible way. cud __________________________________________________________________
> When it comes to adding the sixth course you have to ask why it took nearly > 150 years before this development took place. The most likely explanation > is that for both practical reasons to do with stringing and because re-entrant tuning has some intrinsic benefits it usually had a re-entrant > tuning. The most practical reason to not use a 6 string/course instrument is perhaps chord strumming. The first seven chords of guitar alfabeto, plus the I, O and P chords, all need no more than three fingers, while frequent harmonies (like E, A or F-both major and minor) are impossible to play without barre's on a six-course instrument tuned in G, at least if we wish to include all courses. It raises the problem of strumming over a limited number of strings, which introduces theoretical difficulties for the player. With regard to what Sanz says about strumming the D minor chord and the resulting 4/6 position (the A in the bass): a considerable portion of his text is about how to play basso continuo on the guitar, and in accordance with his advice to use bourdons for that his tablature examples show only plucked textures, so that the bass will always be in its proper position, which is below the other voices. This raises the question if his remark about the D minor chord has anything to do with basso continuo. Besides, most bass instruments such as the bass viol and the theorbo can produce the D below the A (the fifth course bourdon) of the guitar. When playing together with a strummed guitar with bourdons, which is not a situation described by Sanz (nor by any other writer), the fundamental bass can still be taken care of on the bass line instrument. Lex -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html