It would be interesting to see the ULM version of the Branle de Bocan.
The Chancy series of branles begins with the title "Branles de Boccan",
and the second one in the set is titled (fittingly enough) "Second".
So I think of it as a variation on the first. After that comes Branle
Gay, Branle de Poictou, then Branle Double de Poictou, then finally
Branle de Montirande -- a most beautiful thing if you ask me. He
finishes the set off with La Gavotte.
For my guitar I just use rectified nylon -- Saverez, I think (the
envelopes are hidden away at the moment.) What I called a Sarabanda I
should perhaps properly refer to as a Zarabanda. It's on the second
page of tablature in his Tomo 2. I know modern guitar players played
it much more slowly, but I took my inspiration from Javier La Torre (if
I dare say so), who plays it much more spritely.
And yes, I'm stuck on fully re-entrant tuning at the moment. It
fascinates me.
cud
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From: Stuart Walsh <s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
To: Chris Despopoulos <despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Nelson, Jocelyn" <nels...@ecu.edu>; Vihuelalist
<vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: some Ulm mandore pieces
On 12/01/2011 17:39, Chris Despopoulos wrote:
Always one to toot my own horn (or pluck my own strings, as it were),
I
have posted some recordings on my personal site at:
[1][1]http://cudspan.net/baroque/
Very nice Chris. Chancy's music is a lot more sophisticated or more
'modern' than Skene or the Ulm mandore MS (well 133a and b). I do
like
the Branle de Bocan. It's in Ulm 133b as a five course fingerstyle
(or
prectrum +fingers) piece. (Maybe the other two Branles are in there,
somewhere too).
What strings do you have on your Baroque guitar. The instrument (it's
fully re-entrant, isn't it?) sounds very resonant. I was bit
surprised
by the opening of the Jacaras? And the Sarabanda sounds very familiar
but is it really a sarabanda and in Sanz?
Stuart
Two tracks are some old recordings I did on the mandore, and three
others are on the baroque guitar... I keep meaning to do better, but
where's the time?
Anyway, the mandore recordings are of Chancy's Suite #5, and 3 of his
series of 6 branles. The tablatures are for a 4-string instrument,
and
as I understand it, to be played with a plectrum. At least that's
what
I was taught by Didier Le Roux and other members of l'Ensemble
Gabriel
Leone (I was *very* fortunate to attend a class that reviewed the
mandolin. I never made it past the mandore.)
In spite of being played with a plectrum, the Chancy music is full of
hidden polyphony. For the miniature qualities it has on the surface,
I
believe the music is vast in scope... if only I could reveal a
fraction of its depth and breadth I'd be happy.
Anyway, for your enjoyment... Vive le mandore!
cheers cud
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From: Stuart Walsh [2]<[2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
To: "Nelson, Jocelyn" [3]<[3]nels...@ecu.edu>
Cc: Vihuelalist [4]<[4]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu>; Chris Despopoulos
[5]<[5]despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 11:52:10 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: some Ulm mandore pieces
On 12/01/2011 16:35, Nelson, Jocelyn wrote:
> Certainly nothing wrong with dances and ballad tunes, as you
demonstrate.
>
> Is the tuning similar to the 4-course?
>
> I'm not familiar with mandore literature, and now I'm looking
forward
to
> learning more about it.
>
> JN
>
>
>
Jean-Marie Poirier has a site devoted to the instrument.
[6][6]http://le.luth.free.fr/mandore/index.html
It's French, of course but there is a pdf of an article by the late
James Tyler from Early Music. Donald Gill and James Tyler have both
tried to promote the mandore (and the mandolino) and have both
written
about them.
Supposing a tuning with top d (it might be g - or something else)
then
a
four-course tuning would be g-d-g-d (or g-d-g'-d' or maybe I mean
d'',
but you get the point!). And a five course instrument would be
d-g-d-g-d. But on both four and five-course instruments the top
course
could be lowered to c, b flat etc. Also the Skene MS has a section of
pieces in lute tuning.
Stuart
>
> On 1/11/2011 2:34 PM, "Stuart Walsh"<[7][7]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
>
>> On 11/01/2011 01:48, Nelson, Jocelyn wrote:
>>> I really enjoyed this, Stuart. Thanks for posting!
>>> Best,
>>> Jocelyn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> I have only one section of the Ulm collection and in that there
are
123
>> pieces for five-course mandore (fingerstyle or mixed plectrum and
>> fingers) and a small number for four-course mandore (probably
plectrum).
>> So the Skene and the Ulm collections make up several hundred
pieces
-
>> approaching the size of the repertoire for the four-course guitar.
And
>> then there are the Chancy pieces and some other things.
>>
>> Of course the four-course guitar's repertoire is more varied:
songs,
>> abstract pieces, chanson settings as well as dances etc and the
mandore
>> repertoire seems to be mainly dances and ballad tunes. Very nice
though.
>>
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 1/10/2011 7:04 AM, "Chris
Despopoulos"<[8][8]despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks... My instrument is 30 cm, and actually 5-course,
single
>>>> strung. I presume it's made according to historical
>>>> understanding...
>>>> I believe Carlos Gonzales is a historian as well as builder
--
he's
>>>> planning a workshop on building ancient Egyptian/Coptic lutes
this
>>>> April, for example. I prefer to use the thin quill of a
feather as
>>>> a
>>>> plectrum, as I saw done on the R. lute once. For as thin and
short
>>>> as
>>>> the strings are, it helps to have something equally tiny to
set
the
>>>> string in motion. And of course, the Chancy MS is to be done
with a
>>>> plectrum as far as I know.
>>>> But I have to say, your playing had me fooled... It sounds
like a
>>>> mandore to me! And they are lovely tunes.
>>>> cud
>>>>
__________________________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: Stuart Walsh<[9][9]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
>>>> To: Vihuelalist<[10][10]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>>>> Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 6:19:40 AM
>>>> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: some Ulm mandore pieces
>>>> Thanks Chris
>>>> I should have said I'm not playing these pieces on a mandore,
but
>>>> on a
>>>> small, single-strung instrument, tuned like a mandore. My
instrument
>>>> has a string length of 37cms and so is larger (and, no doubt,
>>>> easier to
>>>> play) than a typical four-course, four-string mandore. On the
other
>>>> hand, maybe there was a difference in size between the
four-course
>>>> (four-string) plectrum-played mandore and the five-course,
>>>> fingerstyle
>>>> (or plectrum+fingers style) instrument.
>>>> I knew about the Ulm tablatures from Donald Gill and James
Tyler
>>>> but it
>>>> was Jean-Marie Poirier who pointed me in the direction of the
>>>> Cornetto
>>>> catalogue.
>>>> [1][11][11]http://www.faksimiles.org/verlag.htm
>>>> I think there are three separate tabaltures in the Ulm
collection
>>>> and
>>>> the Cornetto facsimiles are quite expensive. At Jean-Marie's
>>>> suggestion
>>>> I got Cornetto catalogue, 0073 which turned out to be two
>>>> nicely-produced facsimiles. The main 'book' (there's
probably
a
>>>> technical name for a publication roughly 8 inches by 6
inches)
has
>>>> music for a five course instrument and uses a couple of
tunings
but
>>>> mainly one (in fourths and fifths, without lowering the first
>>>> course).
>>>> Like the Skene MS, it has to be fingerstyle or plectrum plus
>>>> fingers.
>>>> The supplementary 'book' has only a few pieces, all or mainly
from
>>>> the
>>>> larger collection, but now set for a four-course instrument,
>>>> presumably
>>>> to be played with a plectrum.
>>>> Stuart
>>>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>>>>
[2][12][12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
>>>> 1. [13][13]http://www.faksimiles.org/verlag.htm
>>>> 2.
[14][14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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References
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3. mailto:[17]nels...@ecu.edu
4. mailto:[18]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu
5. mailto:[19]despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com
6. [20]http://le.luth.free.fr/mandore/index.html
7. mailto:[21]s.wa...@ntlworld.com
8. mailto:[22]despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com
9. mailto:[23]s.wa...@ntlworld.com
10. mailto:[24]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu
11. [25]http://www.faksimiles.org/verlag.htm
12. [26]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
13. [27]http://www.faksimiles.org/verlag.htm
14. [28]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
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2. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com
3. mailto:nels...@ecu.edu
4. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
5. mailto:despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com
6. http://le.luth.free.fr/mandore/index.html
7. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com
8. mailto:despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com
9. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com
10. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
11. http://www.faksimiles.org/verlag.htm
12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
13. http://www.faksimiles.org/verlag.htm
14. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
15. http://cudspan.net/baroque/
16. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com
17. mailto:nels...@ecu.edu
18. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
19. mailto:despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com
20. http://le.luth.free.fr/mandore/index.html
21. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com
22. mailto:despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com
23. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com
24. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
25. http://www.faksimiles.org/verlag.htm
26. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
27. http://www.faksimiles.org/verlag.htm
28. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
