Ah no!
The interval of the third lies between the third and second course on
bot mandora/gallichon and guitar. This is precisely why I suggested
earlier a possible degree of overlap between some of the tablatures -
as most clearly seen in Brno D189 (eg on f.48v has 'Accordo Chytarra et
Mandora' ) indicating either instrument is possible.
regards
Martyn
--- On Tue, 6/11/12, Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
From: Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Losy (Logi) sarabande?
To: "WALSH STUART" <s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
Cc: "Vihuelalist" <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Tuesday, 6 November, 2012, 22:16
I assume that the mandora is tuned like the lute with the 3rd between
the
3rd and 4th courses rather than the 2nd and 3rd. This would make it
more
difficult to play all the standard guitar chords. They would all have
to
be re-fingered. Also at least some of the dissonance is perhaps more
practical on the guitar than the mandora.
Just a thought.
Monica
----- Original Message -----
From: "WALSH STUART" <[1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
To: "Chris Despopoulos" <[2]despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Martyn Hodgson" <[3]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>; "Monica Hall"
<[4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>; "Vihuelalist" <[5]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 9:20 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Losy (Logi) sarabande?
> No, not to be confused with a tiny mandore. Of course it's
possible to
> strum a mandora (big lute!) but I don't think it was ever typically
> played liked that. So the Sarabande, as it exists, wouldn't work as
a
> typical piece for mandora. Or so, I think, but Martyn knows much
more
> about mandoras and mandora music.
> Is this a reasonable generalisation?... Baroque guitar music often
has
> full chords and sometimes very rich chords. But Baroque lute and
> mandora music is typically bass and treble parts with hints of
> harmonies here and there.
> Stuart
>
> On 6 November 2012 20:40, Chris Despopoulos
> <[1][6]despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, how is a mandora to be played such that strumming
> would not work? (Not to be confused with a mandore, right?)
> cud
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: WALSH STUART <[2][7]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
> To: Martyn Hodgson <[3][8]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: Monica Hall <[4][9]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>; Vihuelalist
> <[5][10]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 3:18 PM
> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Losy (Logi) sarabande?
> But how do you think the Tombeau, Sarabande and Minuet would
work on
> a
> mandora? There are a lot of strummed chords in the Sarabande.
Very
> untypical for a mandora?
> And the stringing arrangement is probably a high fifth course and
> octave on fourth - quite different from low basses of a mandora.
> Isn't the Sarabande looking back to the 17th century, rather than
to
> galant style?
> Stuart
> On 6 November 2012 15:18, Martyn Hodgson
> <[1][6][11]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
> Yes, I have the Supraphon edition - not at all bad
considering
> the
> date. Alas, some of the transcriptions are incorrect: see,
for
> example, No 1 Allemande. This is also the first piece in
MsKk
> 77
> but
> you'll see that the flags in the first full bar are
incorrectly
> transcribed in the Supraphon edition: instead of three
quavers
> (down,
> up, down) the editors have them as a quaver (d) and two
> semi-quavers (u
> d). The rest of the piece is similarly incorrectly
transcribed.
> This is the worst of all but there are a fair number of
such
> scattered
> errors throughout the publication. The one I like the best
is
> No
> 33
> 'Aria' which they transcribe as being in 5/4 time and over
> which
> I tried many different stresses to make it work effectively
> (shades of
> William Shield's predeliction for 5/4) but, alas, when I
saw a
> copy of
> the original I saw the scribe marks it simply as a 3 time
and,
> although
> some flags are missing and barring is often nonsensical, it
> plays
> as a
> triple time piece - what a shame - I rather liked the idea
of a
> 5/4
> guitar work in the early 18th century. The page before has
a
> 'Menuet'
> which is similarly poorly barred in the original but as a
> menuet
> can be
> easily rebarred (interestingly the Supraphon editors
exclude it
> altogether, perhaps for such bamng reasons - so No 32 isn't
in
> the
> publication...). But hats off to Supraphon for publishing
such
> a
> work
> at that date - so the 'communist' state at the time was
not
> all
> bad......
> You'll see the editors also made a list of sources and
include
> another
> one for mandora with works by Losy: Brno, Mopravian Museum
A
> 3329
> The Losy rondeau I mentioned as being probably for mandora
is
> on
> page
> 31 of the Supraphon edition. In Brno Ms D189 it has
'Rondeau /
> C
> Loeschi' which the editors thought, I think correctly, is
> Losy.
> This
> particular piece does, in fact, appear as a Dm lute piece
> (can't
> find
> it off-hand but I have it somewhere) as well as in D189
for a
> 6
> string
> instrument in a known mandora tuning. We've discussed D189
> before -
> it contains instructions how to tune the gallichon/mandora
( f.
> 3
> 'Calledono accord') and the guitar (f.48 ' Fundementa
> Chytarra')
> and,
> interestingly, on f.48v has 'Accordo Chytarra et Mandora
> indicating
> either instrument is possible. And from f. 48v it has
pieces
> for
> an
> instrument with six courses in a known mandora tuning with
the
> sixth
> course just a tone below the fifth - presumably a guitarist
> would
> simply play the open third course. On 51v is our rondeau
> showing
> quite
> clearly 6 courses - and in this piece putting the sixth
course
> up
> an
> octave would spoil the melodic effect (see last system bars
3
> through
> to 6). Odd that the editors make no mention of a sixth
course
> being
> required. The piece also fits very easily on the mandora so
> perhaps, as
> suggested earlier, it was conceived for the mandora by Losy
> rather than
> guitar or Dm lute. And so, in an indirect way, perhaps Losy
was
> able to
> play the guitar - but in mandora form.................
> I also find Deisel works better on the mandora than guitar
( to
> do with
> having low basses and on the outside) as also discussed
before.
> rgds
> Martyn
> --- On Tue, 6/11/12, Monica Hall
<[2][7][12]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
> wrote:
> From: Monica Hall <[3][8][13]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Losy (Logi) sarabande?
> To: "Martyn Hodgson"
<[4][9][14]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[5][10][15]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Date: Tuesday, 6 November, 2012, 13:19
> Well - I hadn't thought about the mandora or indeed what kind
of
> lute
> the
> music might originally have been for.
> In fact there is a rather better edition of all of Losy's
> "guitar"
> music
> originally edited by Jan Racek, revised by Jaroslav Pohanka
and
> published by
> Supraphon in 1979 in the series "Musica Antiqua Bohemica".
> It includes both the Tombeau and the Sarabande. They seem to
me
> to
> be
> very
> idiomatically conceived for the guitar. The chord shapes are
> typical
> alfabeto.
> Monica
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martyn Hodgson"
<[1][6][11][16]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "Monica Hall" <[2][7][12][17]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[3][8][13][18]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 9:18 AM
> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Losy (Logi) sarabande?
> >
> > When you say 'arrangements of lute music' do you include
> mandora
> as
> a
> > lute or have you just the 11 course Dm instrument in mind
(as
> most
> > people still do)? One of Losy's guitar pieces (rondeau in
> Brno
> > D189) is extant in a mandora tablature (usually mistaken
for
> guitar
> > tablature!). Maybe this tombeau was conceived for
> mandora..........
> >
> > The Karl Scheidt publication was, I recall, aimed at
> beginners,
> > and contains mostly facile Losy works - some from the
first Ms
> in
> the
> > Lobkowicz Ms volume (OLIM Prague II Ms Kk 77) in which
Losy is
> > identified as the composer (' Pieces Composee/ Par le
> Comte/Losy').
> It
> > also contains slightly more challenging works - tho' not
as
> much
> so
> as
> > the second volume in the binding which looks to me to be
in a
> different
> > hand and different (later?) style and shouldn't be linked
to
> Losy.
> >
> > M.
> >
> > --- On Tue, 6/11/12, Monica Hall
> <[4][9][14][19]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > From: Monica Hall
<[5][10][15][20]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
> > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Losy (Logi) sarabande?
> > To: "WALSH STUART"
<[6][11][16][21]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
> > Cc: "Vihuelalist"
<[7][12][17][22]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> > Date: Tuesday, 6 November, 2012, 8:56
> >
> > I found it now. It is not actually attributed to Losi,
Losi
> seems
> > to be
> > a bit of a mystery. These pieces are supposed to be
> arrangements
> of
> > lute
> > music but none of the pieces survive in versions for the
lute.
> > Anyway - it is really nice to have a chance to hear you
play
> it
> -
> not
> > easy.
> > I shall have a go myself later.
> > Monica
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "WALSH STUART"
<[1][8][13][18][23]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
> > To: "vl" <[2][9][14][19][24]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 10:14 PM
> > Subject: [VIHUELA] Losy (Logi) sarabande?
> > > I've also sent this to the Baroque lute list. It's an
> attempt
> at a
> > very
> > > striking sarabande, possibly by J.A. Losy, but sounding
> nothing
> > like
> > > the more familiar guitar pieces.
> > > I incautiously included the music - to show what it
looks
> like,
> > and, of
> > > course, showing errors to boot. A fine piece though.
> > >
> [1][3][10][15][20][25]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws44iAjdTco
> > > Stuart
> > > --
> > >
> > > References
> > >
> > > 1.
> [4][11][16][21][26]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws44iAjdTco
> > >
> > >
> > > To get on or off this list see list information at
> > >
>
> [5][12][17][22][27]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/inde
x.html
> >
> > --
> >
> > References
> >
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